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Should we allow one, both, or none?

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

One is based on something you can't control.

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago

so if your born in a rich family. is that in your control?

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

No, but at the same time, wealth doesn't need to be made out by someone as being a matter of class, just a manifestation of what you've been able to give/receive in society.

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

So would it be fair to say if someone was a higher status than you, there should be no ill will against them? only the select few who exploit those below them?

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

It's always fair to say people should only be judged by their character.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 16 points 17 hours ago

None.

Racism, as we all (should) know is skin shallow. That is enough. Not being of the "right" color establishes that an individual has no rights, no freedoms, and in extremes cases, not even humanity.

Classism is just a reviewed version of the cast system. Where you are born on the social pyramid dictates your fate. Born poor, die poor.

None are tolerable. All human beings are born equal.

[-] TherapyGary 3 points 13 hours ago

I will absolutely judge people based on their class. You don't come to obtain and maintain massive wealth without being an absolute shit person

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

What you are doing, by taking that position, is just subscribing to the current social model. That's not even a criticism; it's joining the band wagon.

Let's say you have a big success tomorrow and you manage to amass a great fortune. Are you going to give it away? Are you going to do something with your newly found wealth to truly change something for better?

The top three wealth holders in the planet are there because people allowed it. Facebook was just so groudbreaking, so innovative, so useful to connect to people. Amazon is just so convenient, so easy to use. And electric cars never existed before.

They were enabled and still are by the same people that cry today against them. If the notion of true equality really existed, the moment those individuals started becoming too big, people would remove trust and start demanding them to do good, tangible good, for others.

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

well at least there's one sane person on this website.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 points 16 hours ago

It wildly depends on who you ask, so don't waste your praise on me.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

Are people not racist based on accent as well though?

For example Irish people?

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago

I'm not directly conected with english speaking countries so that example always evades me but you're right.

The scottish also had it bad with the english as well. And some time back I read a news report on how a man had been insulted in a train for not speaking english, in London. He was speaking welsh...

Racism picks on any small thing to rise divergence, usually something the target of it can't change. But anything works.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I wasn’t saying you were wrong, I was just wondering if I was. True about the Scot’s, and the Welsh too….and the Cornish. Basically any form of Celt.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

We're just exchanging ideas here and you brought up a very good point.

But it made think that by contrast, in Africa, several ethnic groups coexist and language was not that big of a concern for conflict.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 10 points 16 hours ago

How high are you right meow?

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

i dont get high anymore.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

The difference?

Its right there in the names

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

That makes no sense. if its wrong to be racist then its wrong to be classist.

[-] TherapyGary 6 points 13 hours ago

Race is something you can't do anything about. The rich can give up their unearned wealth

[-] mydude@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Racism is ignorance and can be mended with understanding. Classism is an ongoing war, and can be mended with (upward) mobility, strikes or even riots/civil disobedience.

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

who are you committing war on?

[-] mydude@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The exploitation-class is in a class war against the rest of the world. You didn't notice?

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

who is exploiting you day to day?

[-] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 14 hours ago

I have to ask, are you trying to be obtuse? I can’t tell if you’re aware of what class war is but pretending not to, or if you are just looking to kick start a bad faith argument?

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

I’m hoping they’re trying to make some point but it’s so poorly written we don’t get it…

But I think it’s blindingly obvious you’re right.

[-] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago

Hummm... Maybe I could find some videos showing some class warfare. Let me see... Found some tangential ones.

The Reason You're Poor (It's more than just taxes)

Welfare: For them, but not for you!(How YOU Subsidize Everything)

America's Unemployment Problem

Landlord arguments suck (Debunking Arguments Landlords Use to Justify Their Existence)

This is what could find in a short period of time. Hope it helps? You should defensively read up on class struggle.

this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2024
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