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If someone drives at that speed in the city, should be charged for murder, not just dangerous driving
Driving a car that fast in city it's equivalent to shooting a gun in a crowded place and should carry the same consequences
This person had also been drinking and didn't have a license. They messed up as soon as they got in the car. But because they killed a person while they were in a car, they got off lightly, compared to if they had killed a person when outside of a car. Our mentality around driving is insane.
Yep, driving with a suspended licence should be instant prison to begin with. If you're not going to follow the rules, it's the only way to keep you out of a 2 ton murder machine.
Manslaughter at least
78 kph/48 mph isn't that fast honestly, I think the biggest problem was that she was fucking wasted. If you can't keep your shit together at 50 miles an hour you probably shouldn't be driving.
Okay, so the limit was 50km/h which means she was in a residential street driving at a speed that is reserved for highways. It definitely matters and is more than fast enough. She fucking killed someone.
This is the problem; if we don't respect any speed over 10km/hr as being fast then it's easy for us to speed. Sure doesn't feel fast when you're driving, but 50km/hr can look pretty intimidating from the ground.
I recognize that, and maybe I'm just desensitized to it, but I live next to a road with a 30 mph speed limit and people blow by at 45 or 50 all day. Maybe the Australians are more desensitized to drunk driving than me, but I still think the bigger problem was her being wasted rather than speeding.
In Australia we've got this weird thing about speeding. Anything over 5km/h and you'll get booked. Thanks to a series of ad campaigns by the police/TAC (traffic authority). Addressing the real issue that the driving test is stupidly easy, hence driver education is crap, driving is seen as a right, not a skill, along with a big drinking culture doesn't help.
It's a great country, beautiful in every way, and please come and check it out if you haven't! But the driving is crap.
It's Victoria they book you for 2-3km/h (after they factor in a 'margin of error'.
In other states the police aren't even interested until you reach 15-20km/h over. But that's because they can't be bothered to reset and potentially lose bigger fish.
I've been chased by NSW highway patrol back in the day for 20km/h but they never ended up pulling me over because I was sitting behind someone doing 30+ km/h.
The camera cars not sure what speed they start to trigger but I've never been snapped for under 10km/h or ever (I guess because the Speedo reads under)
Dam... I need to move states!
I'm not sure why Victoria is so strict - all the Victorians I know sit 10km/h under the speed limit because of this - it's so easy to get into a bookable speed zone unintentionally there.
If you think about it a 2km/h leeway which increases to 3km/h over a certain speed I think either over 80km/h or 100km/h I'm not sure isn't really sufficient.
So the reason for the higher speed tolerances in NSW is because the government doesn't want to encourage speedo watchers which is bloody dangerous.
The fact that the speedos read under and the tolerances they give for example i did 125km/h on the speedo in 110km/h zone, GPS reads 117km/h or so. Then the margin of error brings it to 114km/h or so and the not publicised but roughly 10 percent leeway brings it down to 103km/h. But as a note it's YMMV I can't guarantee 100 percent with the leeway as I'm not a copper.
But to speed in NSW you have to be actively trying or just careless. And like I said that's just with the cameras.
Highway patrol like I said only really pull over the excessive speeders, they really don't bother for someone 10km/h over as they know someone will come along in 2 mins doing something like 20km-30km/h over. I see it regularly on the highway. If they pull over the 10km/h guy it cost them the 20-30km/h booking and also they have to reset which costs them more time.
But in Victoria they seem to like to book everyone. I've only been there once and apparently they're notoriously known for doing that and being the only jurisdiction to have such strict rules.
The fact you're converting to mph makes me think you might not be familiar with speed laws in Australia and what the expected traffic speed is on the average street.
78 is very much too fast
35m stopping distance is quoted for 50km/h. 78 km/h is 65m, or 10 car lengths. from the standard calculator, which assumes normal, non inebriated reactions. This bloke is cooked.
If you want to kill someone with minimal consequences if you're caught, do it with a car.
I guess when you want to kill someone but don't want to do 20 just run them over with a car. 6 months for killing someone WTF kinda joke of a justice system is this?
Don't forget, you can be under the influence and claim it was someone else. That sentence was definitely way too weak for that murderer.
On June 9, 2022, Fagan had been drinking when she drove erratically...
Fagan, who gave birth last month
That's either a very poor life choice, or a very deliberate life choice for someone facing prison time.
The old Elisabeth Holmes playbook.
However, Judge Johns said Fagan had suffered an extra level of punishment due to media attention on the case, and abuse she received from others on social media.
Since the crash, Fagan has attended a number of Indigenous rehabilitation programs and made "strong progress", the judge said.
Fagan, who gave birth last month, was supported by about a dozen family and friends in court.
Judge Johns said he would support an application by Fagan to keep her baby in custody with her, taking into account the historical trauma suffered by Aboriginal people who were separated from their parents.
oh you gotta be fucking kidding me. she's getting leniency because people were mean to her on social media (what? how DARE her right to be unaccosted on social media for killing someone be infringed!), and some poor dumbass came inside her. Oh she is making progress in her "don't be racist" classes? so the fuck what??
nevermind she was driving on a suspended license, while drunk, killed someone, and then acts with racist intent to push blame off herself.
Un-fucking-believable. white female birther privilege. and then the AUDACITY of the judge to cite unethical treatment of aboriginals as justification for NOT punishing her? fuck this judge.
Oh she is making progress in her “don’t be racist” classes?
Fagan is indigenous. They aren't classes teaching how not to be being racist, they're rehabilitation classes specifically for aboriginal people.
Why does it seem like it's a culture of convenience? Just sociopathic behaviour.
In the moments after, Fagan lied to police and blamed it on "African men" she did not know.
What the fuck does that even mean?
I guess it's the aussie version of "Some Puerto Rican Guy" did it.
Was she like "Well I can't blame the Aboriginals, that would make me racist!"
Well, she is indigenous. But apparently is still willing to throw other minorities under the bus to avoid responsibility.
Sure she is, just like Elizabeth Warren is a Cherokee Princess.
I don't think that questioning her indigenous status here is helpful. Whether that was rightly or wrongly applied as a mitigating factor in her sentence for this particular crime, it's likely that inter-generational disadvantage played a role in her life. Not an excuse for killing an old guy due to negligence in my opinion though.
it’s likely that inter-generational disadvantage played a role in her life. Not an excuse for killing an old guy due to negligence in my opinion though.
Thank you for bringing some nuance to this discussion. She's guilty, that much is true. Now, do people here want justice/revenge? or do they want rehabilition?
Guess we've got some racists in this space. Probably came across from the aus subreddit, which was toxic as fuck.
I agree, supporting blatantly false claims of minority status and the soft bigotry of lowered expectations?
Pretty low.
How is it “blatantly” false?
Tell me more about the systemic racism the white blonde lady with a Norman surname in Melbourne faces on a daily basis.
Ah so you’re just being a prick to Aboriginal people.
Tell me why you think an Aboriginal person might have white skin, blonde hair, and a Norman surname?
They won't. A colonizer trying to leech resources will though.
It's weird how they talk about grandfather here without clarifying who is he a grandfather to (I thought it was her grandfather) and how grandfather is like a title or something. I would've expected it to be reported as "killed a year old man" or something
It's supposed to convey that he had more significance than someone who wasn't a grandfather (and hence meant less to less people). It's a manipulative technique used by journalists and politicians (they talk about such and such who is a mum or a dad). I hate this kind of crap though, because it suggests that someone is less worthy of attention if they don't have a family.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Alisha Fagan blew kisses to her family members and said "see you soon", as she was taken to the cells following her County Court sentencing on Friday.
She was travelling at 78 kilometres per hour, nearly 30kph over the speed limit, when she failed to give way at the intersection of Glengally Road and Links Street and slammed into a car driven by 69-year-old grandfather Sedat Hassan.
On Friday, she was sentenced to two-and-a-half years' jail for dangerous driving causing death, however Judge Scott Johns said he would impose an "unusually low" non-parole period of six months.
Judge Johns said Fagan had an "appalling recent driving record" in the lead-up to the crash, and that her actions had caused the death of a much-loved family member.
Since the crash, Fagan has attended a number of Indigenous rehabilitation programs and made "strong progress", the judge said.
Judge Johns said he would support an application by Fagan to keep her baby in custody with her, taking into account the historical trauma suffered by Aboriginal people who were separated from their parents.
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The remorse shines bright....
Please tell me she has had her drivers license disqualified for life.
She killed someone while on a suspended license. Disqualifying her won’t stop her being a threat to society. She needs to be locked away for a long time until she learns some sense.
Her?
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