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Accidentally stumbled onto a nude beach once. Got nude to not feel left out. I don't even take my shirt off outside in the summer because I'm so self conscious.
Either fit in or leave.
I want the nude police!
Brother, you're wearing clothes? Either take them off or get off the beach!
Ma'am, that's a 50€ fine for wearing clothes here.
They enforce it this way in France i believe
I think public indecency laws against JUST nudity are silly.
Personally I find a person who have willingly "fermented" themselves by not showering to be more indecent, and the majority socially ostracize said individuals, but it's still not illegal, nor should it be, and neither should public nudity.
Nah, I already know that people would use this to "accidentally"/secretly rub their genitals on you. People are doing this already with their clothes on.
And the crime here would be the sexual act.
We cannot punish nudism just because "it might make people act offensively". Otherwise, lets just cover all of our bodies like they do in the middle east.
I am just curious if you don't care or really think it wouldn't happen that people would for example use this to harass people?
Also, that's a slippery slope argument from you as well. I am not saying people should cover up themselves. But I do think we should not make it even worse for those people who are already getting harassed on a regular basis in the name of freedom. What is with their freedom?
I think we as a society are far from decent enough to each other to basically throw those people who are already disproportionally affected by harassment under the bus completely.
That's specious reasoning.
You’re trying some appeal to emotion angle, where you align not restricting people’s choices with the act of sexual assault. Something you also admit people are already doing today, with such restrictions in place.
I think we as a society can never be better unless we make every step that we can. Freeing up the most natural thing we all have is one of a thousand we must make.
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And you want to throw the nudists that are not doing any harm under the bus? What about their freedom?
People doing crimes should be punished and people not doing any harm should be free to do what they want.
People that "are already disproportionately affected by harassment" should be protected, but not by affecting others that are not doing anything wrong.
The problem is that inpur current society people guilty of these crimes are already in the majority of cases not punished at all.
And I am not throwing nudist under the bus. I say that when you right now would allow people to go nude in places like public transport, schools, universities, etc. that the amount of sexual harassment will increase.
I have not a single person actually address this, or do you honestly believe that's not the case? It rather seems that you don't care that this would happen.
Your argument works just as well (or badly) to ban e.g. alcohol because some people misbehave when drunk or to ban revealing clothing because some people misbehave when they see cleavage.
I think we should ban alcohol, actually. I don't think there should be a ban on people being nude. Why do you try to twist my words?
The question is: do you believe, if we were to allow people being nude right now, that the cases of sexual harassment will increase or not?
If people are already doing it with clothes, what's the harm in making it legal to be naked? Fuck, we're all human. Let's be real, people are just too prude to accept something like this.
Well, I didn't really appreciate the grown man rubbing his clothed genital at my backside on my way to school. Didn't help me much with my mental health either. Very likely would have been worse when he was naked.
Huh? Sexual assault is illegal. I'm sorry that happened to you, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Well I think it does. Sexual assault happens already often and I believe allowing people to be naked in public will increase the chance of sexual harassment and potentially even assault.
Do you believe how people dress makes them responsible for how others treat them? I.e., if a girl wears a skirt that's 'a little too short' and gets assaulted, was she asking for it?
No I don't. And that is not what I am saying at all.
All I am saying is that I believe in current society allowing people to be naked in public will increase the amount of sexual harassment.
I'm sorry for your experience but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.
Why is my opinion ("I think allowing people to be nude in public will increase sexual harassment cases") invalid?
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For the record, no one is diminishing what happened to you. Im really sorry to hear that. Those sexual acts should be punished. There is no question to that.
However punishing nudity just because some people are misbehaving is not right.
I am not saying to punish nudity, wth??
Yes, you are. You are suggesting that nudism shouldn't be allowed because it might increase sexual assaults.
If you are going to discuss something, read the whole discussion and reply to it, not just select one line.
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That's my kind of people!
Protest the pants off them!
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