This is one of those cases just begging for Jury Nullification.

I hope he's caught and found not guilty so he doesn't have to live in hiding for the rest of his life. Just like that kid Kyle Rittenhouse that got away with murder and now has a podcast and people donated a bunch of money to him. If he can do it why can't this guy.

I want him prosecuted, and freed by jury nullification.

Let them see that yes this was murder, but the people agree with it.

Do you want the murderer of the UnitHealthcare CEO prosecuted?

Nope. Killing a billionaire parasite doesn't make one a murderer - it merely makes one a credit to the human race.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial

Not really.

Chances are, the CEO should've been prosecuted for whatever precipitated this long ago. Sounds like suicide by victim to me.

Not really. Obviously murder is wrong but the rich and powerful deserve a boogeyman.

I want it treated like every other murder in New York. I want the police to spend 5 minutes pretending to look for the perpetrator, shrug their shoulders, say "nothing could be done, thoughts and prayers", then throw this into the perpetually growing pile of unsolved murders and move on with their day.

That's what they do when anyone else in the city or state is murdered, this guy doesn't deserve special attention. If they want to solve murders they should solve every murder, not just the billionaire's murder.

I'll never cheer for an act of murder. But I am not broken up about this one.

Genuine answer? He should be tried. Murder is still murder. But I wouldn't go out of my way to catch the guy, given the chance.

Far greater acts of evil and murder happen every single day, but I'm supposed to be bother by this one because the guy who died played by the rules of our broken-ass system? Or am I supposed to still be so blinded by the myth of capitalism, that wealth inherently represents virtue, that I should believe this CEOs life is worth more than the suffering occurring in every other part of the world? Should I choose to believe that the people he neglected to help - in hischoosing to chase the Almighty Dollar - are worth less than his life, because someone pulled the trigger rather than just watching people suffer while holding back the means to help? What kind of fucked up trolley problem is this?

I'll never cheer for an act of murder. But I am not broken up about this one.

i hope he never gets caught

People are saying he wasn't murdered, he just dropped to the ground alone, nobody in the street with him. There's even video, nobody is there...

No, I think he should escape into myth. I hope that he had a planned exit strategy for the end of this, and that he manages to flee the U.S. If he is caught, I believe he will be made an example, a metaphorical head on a pike to scare people off.

Since I'm not in a jury selection panel I would recommend any patriotic American who finds themselves in one shuts the fuck up about their knowledge of jury nullification until they are selected. Then says fuck the law and dutifully informs their fellow jurors about it.

What the fuck are they going to do? Prosecute you? Make jury nullification a headline?

Imagine how your trial for nullification would go.

Yes, of course he must be prosecuted if he can be found. As a member of the general population I feel as though it's possible that a jury wouldn't convict him and could even find him not guilty. Then he is a free man.

Until his identity is known I shall call him Attaboy Goodman, and if a jury were to convene with me on it, I would be unlikely to take seriously any claim by the state that this vigilantism is somehow more destructive of public order than police murdering and robbing people while ignoring wage theft and corporate crimes.

Nope.

I want to reward him.

I've never subscribed to anyone's patreon ever before but I would sub to his.

No, because I don't see any point to it. If they manage to catch him, they may as well just kill him on the spot when they get him, as I have no faith that his trial would be anything more than a farce to try and present some sense of following process and norms, while guaranteeing he gets some insane sentence, only to be found mysteriously to have hung himself. I'm sure that, somehow, a jury of his peers will be comprised solely of the 12 most ghoulish residents of NYC one could find, and they'll probably try to shop around for the worst judge they can to hear the whole thing.

Yes.

Even in a unjust world mob justice isn't justice. This means a mob deciding someone is guilty and acting out punishment is unjust. But also a mob deciding a crime should go unpunished is unjust.

There's plenty wrong with how insurance works and plenty wrong with the justice system. But instead of giving up, we should be trying to fix these issues. It's all to easy to give in to our basic instincts and point to someone to blame. We punish them instead of fixing the issues. Killing one ceo might feel good, but it doesn't really change the big picture and in fact constitutes layer upon layer of failure. We should be better than that. History is full of people (singular and groups) being used as a scape goat to deflect and feel like something is being done, whilst in fact not actually fixing anything and just feeding hate.

Also in a capitalist world, the people with the most money have the most power. If we collectively decide it's open warfare, purge style distopia, they are going to have the upper hand. So purely from a self interest point of view, it would be better to work on fixing shit instead of reverting to monke.

Nope

I think it's a complicated question. I say yes, but with caveats.

He needs to be prosecuted in order to keep the letter of the law running. You can't just say "you can't kill anyone unless the rest of us don't like him." Laws should be about absolutism.

However the sentencing does not have to be absolute. Find him guilty (because technically he is). Then give him a suspended sentence because of extenuating circumstances.

No.

ITT: Nobody understands the difference between being prosecuted and convicted.

He should absolutely be prosecuted, he murdered someone. Should he be convicted of this murder? Fuck no, and I actually think a jury might agree with me.

The fictional outcome that might work best - the shooter has a terminal condition, escapes punishment until their final weeks, publicly admits what and why they did it and dies before the courts can really do anything. That way there’s closure, justice is left in limbo, and the shooter doesn’t really escape either. No happy ending, it’s not a happy story.

I want jury nullification as it would send the most powerful of messages to Wall Street.

Won't happen, but I can dream.

Not one bell pepper. I want the executives of every health insurance company tried for war crimes. I want The Adjuster to be carried through the streets and lauded as the hero he is.

Jury nullification. If you're called for jury duty, DO NOT LET THEM KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS WHEN INTERVIEWING.

yes, of course. and found not guilty, to send a message.

Don't suggest to the mods that its OK to censor. We need to remind them how to do their job, not how to abuse their job

Lol Lmao Fuck no. Every day he's not found is another day that the United States is in a better position

No. Fuck no

But unfortunately if he is caught, the pigs on the payroll will cut him down to avoid any trial or the tape. The elite will want to make an example out of him to prevent others from acting out

From an idealist perspective, yes. I want to be able to believe that the law holds everyone equally accountable and no one should be above it.

However from my current realistic position, I know damn well as do we all that they law already doesn't hold everyone equally accountable -- not even close. And the fact that the deceased made a living doing what he did is just exhibit A on a very, very long list of examples. The rule of law has clearly already broken down, which means all bets are off. The fact that it's been doing so slowly over the course of decades rather than in a single coup or hypothetical night of broken glass is completely irrelevant.

Furthermore, even if the shooter is prosecuted I feel that "this was clearly in the best interest of society as a whole given the harm that the deceased was still actively inflicting on thousands of people" should be a valid legal defense.

Most jurisdictions already allow for the use of deadly force in defense of yourself or others against a perpetrator who represents a clear and present danger to the safety, health, or lives of others. This is just that, but with an extra logical extension riveted on.

Yes. Jury nullification is my right.

From a rule of law perspective the shooter needs to be punished.

But considering the amount of suffering that CEO and other senior leaders at that company have inflicted on innocent sick people, there's a big fat dose of karma that goes with this incident, . And I wouldn't throw the book at the shooter (although you know they will).

If he's found, the jury should nullify. It's their right as US citizens.

Yes, but only if there is an actual jury of his peers to pass judgement on him.

For the social agreement society has, it's irrelevant if you think this person is a hero or a villain, they need to be tried by a jury of their peers in a court of law.

If they are not, then the social agreement that we don't go around murdering people, no matter the intent changes and life becomes very difficult.