lol .... Private health care sends thousands or even millions to an early death and no one says anything or cares for a moment
One CEO gets killed and now we start asking questions about the state of private health care
Soon private is all we have with Trump coming into office. Goodbye ACTA/ObamaCare
Experts see this as part of a broader trend toward violence over societal disputes, reflecting ~~deep dissatisfaction with~~ anger at the blatant corruption of the American healthcare system.
FTFY
That belies the shock also generated by the brutality of Thompson’s death.
It wasn't brutal. He died with no fear and very quickly. That's a lot better than many of the patients his company denied coverage for can say.
People aren't shocked by his death. We're at the very least unsympathetic. And many of us are positively giddy.
Wait, let's see... I have to spend hundreds of dollars a month so when I get sick or injured, I have to pay hundreds of dollars upfront to meet a requirement to still pay a large portion of the bill. All so some mediocre guy with excessive wealth can buy another yacht. My health is a commodity to them. And I'm supposed to give ANY fucks when it all goes wrong for them? Did that dude spare even a moment to think about the people choosing a slow agonizing death to spare their family a life of medical debt? This man ran a racket that paid for his vacations with people's lives, and now it's come back to bite him (to death). I ain't mad.
UnitedHealthcare, a major industry player, has faced scrutiny for practices perceived as prioritizing profit over patients.
Perceived? Of course they prioritize profit over patients. They, along with every other capitalist firm, must prioritize profit over every other consideration. Everything is secondary to maximum, ever increasing profits.
Disgusting narrative. The violence in this story was mostly committed by the CEO. Its his violence that we must be talking about
While his murder shocked many
His murder shocked literally nobody.
The shocking thing is it doesn't happen more often tbh.
It’s like that scene in Fight Club that discusses the homework of starting a fight. It’s difficult because the majority of people, are not wired that way. And that is a good thing.
Maybe the would-be school shooters will see this response online and find a healthier outlet for their angst.
Maybe you shouldn't have an accountant in charge of a "healthcare" company.
I'm sorry for the multiple comments. I have a lot of background and trauma related to dealing with health insurance companies. They are parasites sucking out the blood of those who can least afford it and ruining their lives when they can't pay the bills left over after they deny claims.
Healthcare companies should only be allowed to operate under non-profit rules.
There should be no incentive for profit on people's health.
And forced to publicly report every thousandth of a cent. And their current administrators charged with crimes against humanity.
And the thing is, the "trade" they inflict is just so amazingly unreasonable. The incredible misery they cause, replicated over so many people, and for truly no greater purpose than keeping up with the perverse status symbol competition amongst their hideous peers. Absolutely wild, unhinged, clearly malignant behavior.
Parasites at least play an important role in their ecosystems. I have no (or too many) words to describe my hatred for people like this that commit social murder all the time.
Curiously, successive governments in the UK (where The Guardian is based) have been slowly destroying the National Health Service.
The same thing has been happening in some Canadian provinces where there are conservative governments.
Isn't it ironic to call them conservative as they are trying to up-end the status quo?
Comically enough, it is they who are trying to force through more liberal laws for companies which will ultimately cost the common person more.
Not sure I followed your entire meaning, but your comment is funny, because when I wrote "conservative" it left a sour taste in my mouth.
I think modern conservatives are regressive, liberals are conservative and progressives or leftists are progressive.
So yes, "conservative" parties in Canada are trying to dismantle our health care system (i.e., regress).
And the "liberal" parties aren't doing much to save it. It's hard to justify spending money on it when those same funds could go to private interests instead.
And the actual progressive parties don't get elected unless you're in BC and incompetence still fucks things up anyway.
Experts see this as part of a broader trend toward violence over societal disputes
If you take away everything, at some point, people have nothing to lose
So far, i cant afford a house or a family. If i lost my partner, my only stability, to a treatable illness..
I wonder how many people in this country feel just like me
I'm guessing a lot of them.
Option 1: Vote for Democrats / vote for a woman for president to get incremental improvements to healthcare and society.
Americans: yawn
Option 2: Start murdering the powerful capitalist oligarchs which will lead to zero improvements in healthcare and society but fuels fantasies of revenge and temporarily feels good.
Americans: “Yay!”
Edit: I’m not even saying we need to pick just one option. But shouldn’t Option 1 also be “yay” if Option 2 is? Why limit how pressure is applied to just picking the violent option? It’s weird how even marches and unions get a lukewarm response compared to vigilantism.
And these replies I’m getting are interesting. I didn’t expect so many attempts to justify that only a violent option ever would do any good. Let’s say that violence is the most effective option. Does that really mean we don’t try any other options? If I was this inflexible in my day-to-day life, I’d never get anything done.
It's like Richard Pryor said about crack:
Old white women see addicted kids in the ghetto and shrug "Well isn't that terrible?"
Then crack arrives at their suburbs and they're "OH MY GOD IT'S AN EPIDEMIC!"
What improvements did Democrats make in the past 4 years?
The last time a president made marginal improvements they introduced term limits to stop it happening again.
You couldn’t find anything?
I didn’t expect so many attempts to justify that only a violent option ever would do any good
USAmericans love violence. Look at their media, it's full of it. They'd rather see a gun advert or a story of some school children getting shot than a naked boob.
Start murdering the powerful capitalist oligarchs which will lead to zero improvements in healthcare and society
That implies a trend instead of a one off like this. A trend would absolutely ultimately lead to improvements. The oligarchy that rules us isn't listening to polite letters and protests asking them to change.
But if they discover that their actions lead to great personal risk, they'll quickly change their actions to avoid the risk. That means lower (fair) pay for the CEOs/stockholders. That means an end to the scamming they do through insurance. That means an end to price gouging in the grocery store.
The reason everything is shit (aside from the destruction of the middle class and housing crisis, which is itself caused by the oligarchy), is that the oligarchy is brazen and unafraid of risk in their wealth extraction.
Does that really mean we don’t try any other options?
That's what we've been doing for the last two decades, and it's got us basically nowhere.
Harris didn't promise incremental improvements though. In the days leading up to the election she only promised regression and stagnation.
I’m not sure where you got that idea. Did you not read her platform or listen to her speak?
Did you not notice how democrats helped republicans shift the overton window further and further towards regressivism? There was never any incremental improvement, just concessions made to distract you from how both parties serve the same masters.
You and I don’t seem to agree on this. Maybe you’re just simplifying for the sake of this medium, so I’m missing some of your perspective.
But you do seem to want a more progressive society. I hope your efforts are successful.
I mean she promised to shift to the right compared to Biden, and build that fucking border wall. How is "I'm so right wing I'll include Republicans in my cabinet) anything other than regression?
From FDR to ~1981 we invested in the creation of a middle class. Oh yes, the middle class was created by government subsidy. The 1950s was unique because the prosperous creation blasted into the American scene for the first time. It evolved from there, in part, because it was also being built on the backs of women being crushed into singular stifling roles. Go ahead, ask your boomer mom about her mom, how happy and sane and unmedicated she was. Outliers exist. But that piece is for another thread.
Subsidizing middle class began to be peeled away ~1981. Basically, the theory was, investing in the investors and corporate is simply more efficient, financially, and will trickle down to the rest of society. We’ve all felt the long term impact of that experiment and it’s not making anyone working class very happy.
2021, yea GramPOTUS started to peel back up pre1981. Have we felt it? Teamsters maybe in knowing they still have a retirement, but the truth of it is, breaking shit has lasting impact and turning it around will not be felt for a while.
I highly doubt 2025 will subsidize the middle class and try to get us back to pre-1981. But we will see.
My point is, this financial squeeze is the culmination of 40yrs of government policy. Bezos gets a penis rocket, we get lack of homes, healthcare debt, the inability to raise children due to costs, and a wonderful feeling of anxiety and anger.
Either way. 1950s or the present crushing situation: government created.
They shouldn't be surprised at the reaction when they are actively doing this to THE WORLDS MOST WELL-ARMED POPULATION. What the fuck did they think would happen?
That thing about asking my mom about her mom. She wouldn’t be able to tell me much. My aunts and uncle are boomers, my mom is gen x. She was born 10 years after her youngest sibling so obviously a total accident.
Her mom shot herself when my mom was only 4 years old. So, yeah. You got it right.
There is no other way this ends. The corpos are so moneyblind that they don't see it.
Sympathy out of network
I like this headline because for once the “sparks outrage” cliche has some real meaning to it.
People have been mad about healthcare for ages. But it hasn’t lit up, it’s just sort of passively lingering like a gas leak. All it took was one snap to light the flames.
Anyway, I don’t condone violence but this shouldn’t come as a surprise. The rotten egg smell is everywhere and we’ve tried calling the gas department for decades and no one has come to help. If there are further victims of violence, the majority of the blood will be on the hands of the oppressive class who failed to protect themselves by treating their subordinates as human.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -JF damn K
> Don't vote in local elections
> Don't vote in county elections
> Don't vote in state elections
> Don't vote in federal elections
> Maybe votes in presidential election
> If vote is cast in election, it's for own interest or for the rich, not for the common good
> "Why isn't America getting better chat?"
Okay I was trying to do a "citation needed" joke but superscripts don't seem to work.
WHo was "shocked" by this?
Mostly other CEOs and a lot of the media.
Headline scared me. Can't do the alien bounty hunter dirty like that.
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