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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

Donald Trump and Republicans are falsely framing his 2024 election win as a historic “landslide” and sweeping mandate, despite the data showing otherwise.

Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6%, the smallest margin for a winning president since 1968, and his 307 electoral votes rank low in U.S. history.

Crucial Senate and House gains were limited, with Republicans relying on gerrymandering for their narrow House majority.

This exaggeration of victory serves to justify potential power expansions, but the facts debunk claims of an unprecedented or overwhelming mandate.

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[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 209 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s time to nip that lie in the bud

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of nipping MAGA lies in the bud every day. It's been the better part of a decade of this bullshit already... I fucking hate that my countrymen chose this for us for the next four years. Fuck every Trump voter, but a much bigger fuck you goes out to all the jackasses that stayed home on the 5th. You're complicit, and I don't give a shit why you think fascism is "okay" as long as you got to punish the Democratic Party for your grievances.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Exactly, until media reframes this from distraction politics to a call to action none of this matters. Wake me up when we have a functioning government again.

I'll be focusing locally on building mutual aid networks and contributing as much as I can to local policy and governance.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think the bigger message is that our information environment is totally screwed.

The eye-opener for me was watching our local news station interview college students coo and rave over how "strong" he was and repeat (apparently not) obvious misinformation.

It wasn't about apathy, not really... He just won an influencer war. And now the CEO of Twitter is basically president..

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Wait until the idiots graduate and look for a job. The Orange Bag of Shit holds the record for US unemployment and he has a very good chance of breaking it again.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

To be fair, and president would have been screwed over during covid, even if they had "contained" it (which, looking at China, seems highly unlikely).

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 81 points 2 months ago

Doesn't matter. He won the presidency. He has demonstrated his entire life that he will just do whatever he wants and dare the world to stop him. (Narrator: They haven't.) Now he also has near-complete criminal immunity once he's inaugurated. He's already stacking up appointees who are going to follow his orders.

"B-b-but Senate confirmation --" Shut the fuck up. Whoever he wants to be in charge of departments is going to be in charge of departments. Don't appoint anyone else, throw "Acting" in front of the title, done and done. What is anyone going to do about it? Fucking nothing.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Of course it matters. It doesn't matter to trump but the public is not trump

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 2 months ago

If it doesn’t matter enough for anyone to do anything about it, it doesn’t matter at all.

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[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago

Maybe if we correct the Republicans they'll listen. Yeah, that'll work.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 2 months ago

Republicans are trying to gaslight us by calling Trump's win a landslide. The point isn't to correct them; it's to make sure we don't believe the lies they tell us.

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 51 points 2 months ago

Maybe the media themselves shouldn't have been running around talking about the absolutely massive and devastating defeat the Democrats suffered the day after the election... Maybe they should have waited for all the results?

Nahhh... Clicks clicks clicks! It's all that matters! Money money money!

All corporate media:

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That really doesn't make me feel that much better about it, but I guess we're mostly trying to find the corn in the shit on this one, so thanks?

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago

They already have power. They don't need a justification for expansion they'll just do it.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Yes and no. All power, ultimately, depends on compliance. Even autocracies. There would not have been a "divine right of kings" if kings did not have a pressing need to assure people of their right to hold power.

The "mandate" narrative is aimed at convincing everyone that their objections are in the minority. That even if they stand up and say something, they'll simply be the odd one out.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Power ultimately depends on violence. Violence can create compliance and vice versa, but the violence and compliance with violence is what's fundamental. These politicians are very capable of overwhelming violence. It's a crucial part of their function. It's been the norm as long as states have existed.

There wouldn't have been the "divine right of kings" if kings were unable to torture and murder people.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

The state's ability to use violence is entirely contingent on compliance.

There are approximately 1.3 million police officers in the US. That number doubles if you were to throw in the entire US military. That is about 1% of the adult population of the US (~260 million).

The only reason state violence is possible is because people accept it. If every time a police officer tried to arrest someone, an entire neighbourhood rolled out to stop them, no amount of military grade weaponry would prevent a total breakdown of government control. This is what is meant by "policing by consent". It is the understanding that policing only works because people consent to be policed.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

One could reasonably interpret the entirety of the modern era to be the upper class's quest to push us as close to that point as possible without quite getting there. They've already pushed it pretty god damn far with very little meaningful resistance. If the public's line in the sand is on the far side of fascism then that line may as well not exist at all.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's not going to fly when the entire country saw him sweep the swing states. That's part of the fuckiness of the EC, he only won by a tiny margin but visually state after state went red on the TV.

[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Have you seen the crowd in his 2016 inauguration? It was huuuge. Or how he fit 80,000 people in a 20,000 capacity venue.

People should know by now that he exaggerate everything including the size of his mushroom penis.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 20 points 2 months ago

This is one of the reasons I hate talking in abstracts. I hear people talking about landslides, but what does that mean numerically? If there was a vote with a pool of 10 people and a candidate got 6 of those is that a landslide? Is 9/10 a landslide?

Some people talk "landslide" but without knowing what that means, it makes it hard to have a conversation.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Wait, did a major outlet just use "lie" in its headline?

I'm impressed. Even for an op-ed.

Anyway, this cannot be repeated enough. I'm already sick of people trying to say it's "historic", it's a "landslide", etc....give me a break.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Who cares about the label? The only descriptor that matters is "President-elect Trump" and that one is not in dispute. The rest is either semantics or copium that doesn't impact anything in a material fashion.

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[-] Juice@midwest.social 15 points 2 months ago

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Half of Lemmy seems to believe that Trump won by a landslide. Remember a comment upvoted like crazy yesterday talking about how hard he won.

I mean I get it, the fact that he won by any amount is horrifying but nuance exists. I'm glad to see this article attempting to clear it up

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[-] Cheems@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

When I was younger I thought the saying was, "nip it in the butt"

I dunno it always made sense to me.

Anywho carry on

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[-] squozenode@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

In states where he won, it was either a blood-red wave, or barely past 50%.

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I mean, yea? What are the other options?

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

He won bro. He's president of the ENTIRE COUNTRY it doe at matter how you cope.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

He does everything he blames the other side of doing, which means he cheated. Ballot boxes were burned. Mail-in ballots went "missing". They rigged the election just well enough for it to not be glaringly obvious to those who weren't paying as much attention.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

You went around telling people that about Obama and Biden too, right?

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[-] classic@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

Too late. It's that whole thing where it takes ten times the effort to undo misinformation than to introduce it (or however that goes). This narrative is here to stay. Those who try to counter it will just be in the role of the "Well Ackchyually" guy in the conversation

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Lies are a crucial foundation for fascism.

[-] Eger@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I quote the lyrics of the ABBA's song: "The winner takes it all - The loser’s standing small". And this is the truth: in a few years, no one will ask how DT won the election. He simply won and has a strong mandate to pursue his policy. - n'est-ce-pas?

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is one defeat that I think we can no longer blame on Russian interference.

Kamala Harris was such a disliked candidate that she lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that previously tried to spark a right wing insurrection against Congress. A convicted felon whose previous tenure led to the Supreme Court bringing back state level abortion bans, and who was running on the manifesto of turning America into a right wing Christian theocracy staffed by Trump loyalists. Not even Hillary Clinton did this terribly.

Biden should never have ran for a second term, given that he was already showing signs of forgetfulness four years ago, and when he was eventually pushed to resign, the Democrats should have held a snap primary instead of immediately backing Harris.

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