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[-] zer0@programming.dev 108 points 1 month ago

To be fair, arch could look like that after a few days.

[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 month ago

NixOS is like that every day for no reason

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

staging rebuild cycles only happen every two weeks or so.

The reason is always that something changed and causes all dependent packages to change, requiring a rebuild of those too.

[-] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Oh, you updated one byte in your config? Better download the entire ducking Internet and rebuild everything!

[-] numanair@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago
[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It looks like it's Debian's logo in the bottom left and that that's apt output.

EDIT Nope, that's pacman output, seems like they ssh'd into another arch-machine.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 47 points 1 month ago

Read the Arch news before clicking "yes".

[-] lud@lemm.ee 62 points 1 month ago
[-] superkret@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an error to gpg.

[-] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

I have Informant installed for this. Saved my hide a few times.

[-] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

people laughed at me for choosing debian. they asked why i chose to have ancient runes running in my computer

who's laughing now?

[-] lemmus@szmer.info 11 points 1 month ago

Still we, dinosaur.🦖

[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

We are still laughing, no worries.

p.s. Debian is great, I am just a "kind of new" void converted.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Sometimes I wish someone would make a an Arch box and come back to it years later to see the updates it has missed.

But that's assuming an Arch box would be reliable enough to stay alive that long lol.

Always heard of 20+ year old bsd and debian machines chugging along with no issue.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

It won't rise much beyond that, since you only get one update per package. Whether it's upgrading Firefox from version 120 to 121 or to version 130, it doesn't change much in terms of download size, nor the number of updates.

At least, I assume, Arch doesn't do differential updates. On some of the slower-moving distributions, they only make you download the actual changes to the files within the packages. In that case, jumping to 121 vs. 130 would make more of a difference.

If you do want lots of package updates, you need lots of packages. The texlive-full package is always a fun one in that regard...

[-] nous@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

I have updated arch systems that had not been powered on for years before. It was fine. No issues what so ever. Arch is not some flaky distro that breaks if you look away for a minute. My main system has had had the same install for over 5 years now and I regularly forget to update it for months at a time. Again, no issues.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah really the biggest issue I could see is pacman’s keyring being so out of date that it has to be manually refreshed with a new one

[-] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 10 points 1 month ago

My arch install has been going strong for about 5 years now

[-] savedbythezsh@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

I had that on a physical machine! It broke hardcore lol I had to reinstall the OS after trying to update

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[-] datendefekt@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago

You see, this is why atomic desktops aren't a bad idea.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 12 points 1 month ago

This has nothing to do with immutable desktops.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

Well in an immutable distro, there is little to no chance for the system to end up in an unusable state (I guess it is the same for distros which apply the updates atomically). Traditional distros are far more likely to bork when so much shit is updated at once

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago

I don't think this is true. The package manager is there for a reason to prevent that. If you have more updates to install at a time, then the chances are the same as if you would have installed the problematic update one at a time. Just read the manual intervention information from Arch and see if there is something to do, then it won't bork. If people don't know what they are doing and do not read the additional information (that is required to do so on Arch), well yes, then you could end up borking your machine. But not because so many updates are installed at a time. The package manager and operating system and their maintainer designed it in a way that you can install ton of updates at a time without borking. This is fine.

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[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago

It's arch. There'll be no issue here.

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[-] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 month ago

I did this regularly on arch. And it didn't end very well.

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[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Remembers Tumbleweed fondly

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[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

This is why I Dont use rolling release Distros on Pcs i wont use often.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

I used to care but with recovery tools being what they are and most apps being containers... my base systems tend to be a little more disposable.

That said, I haven't had problems, even if I am at risk for more of them. I have my snapshots and my backups.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

Because you get updates and have an up to date system?

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Because you get a update once a update for a package comes out, If you dont update for a very long time you need to download a very large update.

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[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Haskell packages every other day...

[-] jwt@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

And they're red, that means the offer is about to expire. Better act quick!

[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Better apt quick!

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago
[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 26 points 1 month ago

arch linux, i'm sshed from my debian machine.

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Nah, just update it.

[-] PoorlyWrittenPapyrus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

You wouldn’t believe the shit I’ve seen on internet connected production servers…

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[-] dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I'm sorry, I gotta - you have the menu on AND the button bar? like, why? you click on those things? you got your screen real-estate on a sale, what?

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Be nice, can't you see they're only able to afford red pixels?

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[-] nomen_dubium@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago

welp, looks like you don't use python virtualenvs... well i guess jokes on you all your shit is probably broken now (and as a bonus, that's probably a big part of the donwload size as well) :p

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 4 points 1 month ago

Probably should, but this machine is already cluttered terribly. A good bit of the download size is likely Pytorch files.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Looks like a !!FUN!! time in Dwarf Fortress.

[-] vort3@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Those are rookie numbers.

[-] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Recently updated a nixos machine that was on the shelf for five years or so. A few options and packages had been renamed, fixed those, upgrade completed with zero problems.

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 5 points 1 month ago

Only issue with this update was a maintainer's keyring had expired and been replaced, so his packages didn't pass the signing check. After re-installing the keyring, the whole think works fine.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

6.5 gigs. "Proceed with installation? y/n"

Yeah, I guess. Fark getting any work done today.

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