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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by rcbrk@lemmy.ml to c/australia@aussie.zone

Australian Senate, last sitting of the year. No idea when the Social Media Ban debate is kicking off.

If anyone's keen, feel free to give a live run-down of anything interesting in this thread.

(sorry about all the edits, just trying to get a decent thumbnail: elevated photo of the Australian Senate)

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[-] oahi@aussie.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

We should ban u16s from public transport. Too many have had fatal accidents due to dangerous behaviour around railways and bus stops. Compulsory learning from home, now!

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[-] No1@aussie.zone 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

"Comrade! Papers! NOW!"

I remember when we used to be horrified at some of the terrible regimes and their draconian requirements and powers.

And yet, here we are happily strolling into the same situation.

[-] CTDummy@aussie.zone 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I don’t see how the communist remark is relevant. Social media has proliferated largely unchecked. They are potentially damaging platforms, especially for younger people. That’s ignoring the rampant misinformation. I mean have a look at X and the “your body my choice” nonsense. I’m surprised people are genuinely advocating for the multimillion dollar corporations being in charge rather than our government.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago

It's a wild overstep peddled in the name of "think of the children!!"

As any 12 year old with a porno mag will tell you, kids will get around this without even blinking. And the fun fact is that I, a grown arse adult three times their "acceptable" age to fuck around with the dangerous social media will coincidentally be asked to prove my age, full name, address to any comment I may make online and boy oh boy wait until I say something that disagrees with the obsidian order.

[-] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago

This comment right here. Not a fan of this bill at all and may potentially leave any platform that demands this information and/or ‘digital id’.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Moving countries here. just gonna post on this instance for nostalgia

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[-] araneae@beehaw.org 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

We're in danger of a domino effect happening across the planet where governments finally have the de facto authorization to scour youth and youth culture off the web. For millions this is the loss of a right to access they had assumed from birth. Any argument that applies to children browsing the web applies to adults, since we recurringly prove we're not better decision makers than children.

In my country the elite are pedophiles who want to marry children and allow them to be employed debt trapping them and then forcing them into a financial corner. Our highest lawman was nearly an actual known child sex trafficker but his appointment would have sparked a World War III like series of disclosures and open blackmailing because there are now too many pedophiles running the government to effecticely threaten each other.

There is a type of common sexual deviancy inspired by eastern cartoons that fetishizes the undeveloped body. It is commonly defended by its connosieurs as valid art from a superior enlightened culture. There is a throughline of normalization of child marriage and relationship forming that is slowly being legitimized and trust me it was already legal in half my country to marry children, but not acceptable.

Meanwhile childrens identities are making them targets in school hallways, bathrooms, and gymnasiums. The ramifications of the social world order bear down on them without their consent or understanding. Fascism splits up children into tribal groups and targettable minorities just the same as adults.

Darkest of all is the future promise of more children disappearing into a black hole. Closed borders where only ICE and men like Matt Gaetz and the late great Epstein have the power to move through unabbated. In Trump's first administration they told us to our faces they lost 1,488 children. 1,488 necessary victims of border policy. They lost more than that, 1,488 if you don't know, is a Nazi dogwhistle referring to the 14 words and then signalling allegience to Adolph Hitler. They told us to our face they threw fifteen hundred children down a well. Where are they now?

Who benefits ultimately from controlling what children see and think? Who benefits from being able to silence them? Who benefits from being able speak for children?

Children's rights and liberties are a flashpoint in our civilizations understanding, worship, and secret contempt for the concept of natural and civil rights. When they're shoved off the net another much more easily targettable adult minority will be next.

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[-] CTDummy@aussie.zone 10 points 4 weeks ago

Call of duty lobbies mentioned in senate. What a time to be alive lmao

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, and rightly so. Because this bill is so immensely stupid and the process by which it has been enacted so deeply undemocratic, that even a moron like Canavan (or was it Antic?) can see that the way they've carved out exemptions is haphazard and poorly thought through.

[-] oahi@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago
[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 4 weeks ago

mark the names of the dumb cunts that yes'd

[-] oahi@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Most of the Coalition. All of Labor. None of the cross-bench.

[-] BadlyDrawnRhino@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Not a surprise that all of Labor voted yes, given their party policy around caucus solidarity. I'd be interested to see a list of people opposed to this bill behind closed doors.

I've really come to despise Labor's policy of not crossing the floor. I get their desire to show a united front, but it really makes it hard for regular folk to track how the party is shifting if we don't ever see who supports what on an individual level.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

None of the cross-bench

None of the cross-bench in the Senate. But 4 of the independent MPs.

Ms Chaney, Mr Gee, Dr Haines, Ms Spender

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[-] trk@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Why does Labor always do this? Instead of concentrating on good social policy and undoing some of the pro-corporation crap the Liberals have snuck in, they come up with some utter stupidity about the internet and end up dying on that hill.

Internet filter repeat incoming. This will be their undoing next election.

[-] rcbrk@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

Faaark, I'm agreeing with Malcolm Roberts!

[-] oahi@aussie.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago
[-] eatham@aussie.zone 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They prolly don't know it exists. If they do, be prepared to switch instance as I doubt lodion will want to deal with Id checking

[-] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago

I, and at least one other person here sent submissions in specifically mentioning the fediverse.

Mine wasn't a very technical submission, i tried to focus on the value and potential destruction of that value if safeguards aren't allowed for nascent social media.

So at least there is a record of it. My worry is all the Muskivites submissions will drown out ones like mine.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 4 weeks ago

It's not even clear yet what form the ID checking will take. They've rushed this through way too fast and without proper consultation. But there does seem to be some sort of a plan that the ID checking would be done by a government service in some manner, rather than users needing to send ID directly to the platform.

[-] eatham@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago

Govt service is still bad, still links everyones social media accounts to their ID. The bill will do jackshit anyways, as under 16s will simply move to social media hosted outside of Australia.

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

So of the top ofnyour head, a VPN will allow you to skirt this law?

I don't use social media beyond lemmy but be fucked if I want to give my I.D to anyone in relation to my online activities

[-] eatham@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Well, a VPN fakes your country, and the law only applies in Australia. Also, it is an unenforceable law anyways so I doubt it would do much

[-] TimePencil@infosec.exchange 4 points 3 weeks ago

@eatham

Yes, but Social Media apps can derive location data through other means, including time zone and language settings, visible WiFi Access Points, not to mention GPS.

The Libs passed the legislation because they're corrupt.
Labor passed it because they're incompetent.

Either way, it's likely that the AustGov will be the gatekeepers of 'onboarding' and re-verification of existing users.

It's a disgrace.

@Aussiemandeus

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago

"are you over 16" clicks yes well your honour they clearly provided false data so it's not our farkin' problem.

because honestly what fucking 16 year old has a proof of age card

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[-] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Last I saw the suggestions were drivers license or equivalent, face scan, or digital id. They’ve probably walked that back though or will do so because hell nah

[-] oahi@aussie.zone 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Govt service, or privatised ID assurance face-scanning service wrought with error?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 4 weeks ago

Like I said, it's not clear yet what form it will take.

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago

The relevant Minister will be able to give exemptions as needed, but unfortunately there is no threshold for any sort of minimum size requirement or for non-profit community groups. So we would probably, to be completely lawful, need to get chummy with some politicians who can reach out to the Minister and seek an exemption.

(But realistically, we're probably small enough that nobody would notice.)

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago

it's seriously annoying as fuck how there's no exemption for any of these internet regulations based on size, all it it seriously achieves is strengthening corpos and depowering individuals with souls

[-] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The info is still really vague but seemed to so far apply to big platforms like reddit and facebook and X - however my info might be outdated by now.

Then again it could be that the fines for non compliance and verification charges might also apply to smaller platforms with less available funding than the big companies, and push them under.

The info I’ve been reading seems to be inconsistent and sometimes even conflict. And yeah, could be outdated by now

[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

I have warned about this. Access to online services will soon be locked behind your mygov id.

These plans have been in motion for a long time.

[-] quokka1@mastodon.au 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

@Cypher @rcbrk With a nice link between any nicks/profiles/gamer-tags you have and your actual MyGovID.
Mmmm mmm mmm smell that lovely data!
ASIO must be practically creaming themselves.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

Games are explicitly excluded from this law.

Which is kinda fucking ridiculous, as pointed out in debate, because in-game chat is often some of the most toxic you'll encounter.

[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

tbh I'm more concerned about kids on cod or battle.net than insta chat (research has found a lot of kids using Instagram for absurd numbers of hours are actually just chatting).

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[-] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 weeks ago

Too many kids die over this shit. The corpos have had, what, 15 years (?) to sort this shit out.

So now we see the heavy handed government regulation coming along. That’s what happens.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago

i guess that's true but the system totally shouldn't function that way at all, group punishment is retarded.

we pay these dumbasses to run our government for us, shouldn't we be holding them accountable when they do dumb shit like this, rather than just accepting it as how the real world is?

[-] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Have mega corporations like Facebook/meta and Twitter/x been held accountable? Because they’ve resulted in kids killing themselves or developing psychological disorders.

What I’m not seeing is the backlash against those.

Fuck our useless government. Incompetent like most. But I’m so sick of the corpos getting a little bit of outrage and then not only do people move on in short order, but they keep using their platform and generating profit for them.

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