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[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 303 points 2 years ago

They don't think we're open minded and understanding.

They think we're ignorant of how the world works, condescending, and irrationally judgemental.

I'm not saying this is how we ARE, this is just how they view us, and because they view us like that from the very start, there is no opportunity for meaningful dialogue.

It is bi-directional prejudice, and only by acts of understanding and patience and wisdom can that be overcome.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 145 points 2 years ago

Agreed, for the most part. I'm never going to be impartial and seek understanding with a racist Nazi. They will have to understand my fist.

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 65 points 2 years ago

Pretty true, obviously most racist biggots don't see themselves as racist biggots. They don't see us as "open minded" they see us as close minded to their views.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 73 points 2 years ago

Depends on the person. I've been told to my face without a hint of irony that "you're so open minded all your brains fell out".

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 25 points 2 years ago

I spent most of my childhood being repeatedly informed by my incredibly Republican family that I lack common sense.

Yet, I have the common sense to know that if you let people do whatever the fuck they want to do with their own bodies and lives then they'll stay the fuck out of your body and your life.

Perhaps that is an uncommon sense. However, it should be a common sense but the people who claim to have common sense fail to understand that consistently.

Maybe common sense is not all it's cracked up to be.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Common sense is a thought terminator. It’s just “everyone who’s smart agrees with this”. It’s common sense you shouldn’t inject any aspect of a disease causing pathogen into people. It’s common sense that you can’t burn so much stuff you make the whole sky smoky or permanently warm the planet. It’s common sense that you don’t share an ancestor with an oak tree. Now none of that is true. You should get vaccines, uncontrolled combustion creates smog and contributes to global warming, and all eukaryotic organisms share a common ancestor. But if you phrase things right and say it’s obvious people will agree with your false statements and think people are over educated idiots for being right.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

Being convinced to give a shit about other people just shows that you’re gullible, to them.

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 25 points 2 years ago

And, their views typically do not include the things that most of the people I know hate the most about the platform that they ascribe to.

They just think being Republican will make them wealthier or fix problems in the country or make the world a better place.

The single issue voters have an opinion on a single issue and everything else doesn't matter compared to that one thing.

They don't care about all of the bad as long as the single bit of good can be accomplished, and they don't care if you think that single bit of good is a bad thing.

They don't care to talk to or be dissuaded by their family members who are not approaching them with a spirit of love and care for them.

Beside that, it's not mentally or emotionally healthy to live spring-loaded with ontological traps that can be fired off with a single phrase to bring down judgment and the fires of hell on the people you meet.

They're not going to want to hear you if that's what you're bringing to the table.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 25 points 2 years ago

Of course, after Trump in the white house, it's kinda irrelevant.

Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?

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[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 2 years ago

They think we're ignorant of how the world works, condescending, and irrationally judgemental.

Lol. Yep Though in fairness, I am genuinely judging them so fucking hard.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago

Hi,

Person struggling to still call self conservative. I don’t like lefties either - they hear the world “conservative” and thing MAGA Nazi shitheads immediately. And they are constantly condescending and judgmental, yes.

But that doesn’t change the fact that if you voted for Trump, you are either a piece of shit or you’re stupid.

It also doesnt mean that we who can understand Trump has now determined he can and will abuse his power shouldn’t try to dialogue with Trump voters without being shitty to them. You’re not going to turn a vote (if there still is one next time) by being an asshat. Just make sure they’re not hardcore Trump diehards because time is precious.

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Hi!

A while back I myself made the sometimes painful journey from a conservative to the progressive I consider myself now. I know you didn’t ask, but here’s some stuff to keep in mind.

The internet has no place for subtlety. People desperately want the dopamine rush that comes from righteous fury, defending one’s viewpoint and crushing those who disagree. It’s true of a lot of people, and I’ll be honest, I’m guilty of it on occasion. It just feels so damn good to be right.

But in my experience, most people in life don’t really act that way. I mean, in high school I occasionally got shit on by people who were “lefties,” but I was usually asking for it. More generally, people were much more likely to ask me questions and discuss our differences. They may have been judging me, but I never got that vibe. It’s just easier to see the person you’re talking to as a fellow human in person. And those people were integral in helping me realize that a lot of the stuff I was seeing online about feminazis and whatnot was simply more rage product, designed to get that part of the brain pumping and let me feel good and superior to someone else.

Removed from the left vs right rage online, I found that it became increasingly difficult to call myself “conservative.” Not because I was worried about how people would think of me, but rather because the more people I met and the more I learned about the world, the harder it was to reconcile what I knew with the views I had held. And when I would try to provide context or data to my fellow conservatives, they refused to listen. Anything that didn’t reinforce the views they held, they didn’t want to hear.

So much of what I thought I knew about “lefties” was from online takes and screenshots that others shared, but none of that matched my experience with real people in real life. And I’ve been so grateful I had the chance to spend time with people with significantly different lived experiences from my own who didn’t shun me for my views but were friendly and helped me become a more empathetic person.

Of course, this goes both ways. The average conservative doesn’t want to kill gay people or black people. They aren’t represented by the extremes either. Generally speaking, people just want to live their lives. I truly think one of the biggest differences between progressive and conservative mindsets is about how many people whose lives are different from your own you’ve gotten to know. It helps us be less afraid of one another. It’s part of why densely populated areas tend to be more progressive, I think.

Anyway, I wish you luck in your journey. Hope you didn’t mind my musing here!

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here's my problem with the "not all conservatives" mind frame: Nazis and maga have security attached themselves onto conservatives, and conservatives who "aren't those guys" aren't doing anything to eradicate those parasites.

If you have 10 conservatives and 1 Nazi at the dinner table, you have 11 Nazis.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

I agree with the Nazi statement.

I did try to eradicate them. I voted Harris. The fact that so many people voted Trump after seeing what he did is what makes me question calling myself a conservative.

But I’m just some person in a some county in some state. I’m not a registered Democrat or Republican. Other than voting, I’m not sure what I /can/ do

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

The fact that you’re trying to figure it out is the important part. It’s important to self-reflect and define your ideologies, not by what others have told you to believe, but by what you personally believe.

Also, it’s okay to not take a label. It makes sense to want to identify yourself as an individual before attempting to identify yourself as part of a group.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 113 points 2 years ago

Replace the second panel red with “woke and gay”

[-] superkret@feddit.org 41 points 2 years ago
[-] josefo@leminal.space 37 points 2 years ago

that's why the word was invented, to replace the obvious intolerance for openness

[-] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Hahahah that's what they want you to think. Woke is from like the 60s. Do some research on it. It's pretty interesting.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Actually in ancient etruscan...

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[-] dan@upvote.au 11 points 2 years ago

I still haven't looked into what "woke" actually means, but from what I can tell, it seems to mean anything far-right people don't like.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

In left-leaning spaces it means "cognizant of the injustice pervading society". On the right it means "uppity".

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago

Hey buddy! I may be woke. And I may be gay! And... What was the third thing you called me?

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago

Be me

Liberal uncle in conservative/ trump family

Fly to red state for family member’s funeral

Get made fun of by all family members in public at the funeral reception

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago

My grandma never met you. She lived to be 103, and died last October (2023).

My grandma loved you. She wanted you to do well, and be happy. Just as she did with everyone on earth. It's physically impossible for her to host a dinner big enough to feed everyone on earth. But the logistical impossibility is the only reason she didn't do it.

My cousin is a lesbian. She had been married to a decent man, had two kids. Good family man. Married for nearly 10 years before she discovered she was lesbian. The breakup was civil. He did nothing wrong. They both still loved each other, and loved the kids. He was still welcome at the table, as was my cousins new partner. My cousins mom was NOT accepting. When my aunt tried making a scene, my grandma said "Melinda.......I won't have hate at this table. You love your daughter. I don't ask you to agree with your daughters lifestyle. But I do ask you do not bring hate into my home."

My grandma was a teacher in her 20s. She lived in a small but growing suburb, and essentially raised the whole town. She got promoted several times as the years went on. Eventually being the district superintendant. She LITERALLY was responsible for raising thousands of kids, who were everywhere from the boomer generation to the millenials.

She had a simple philosophy. Which was that she loved you. She would put aside the world to hear what you had to say. My grandpa used to joke that when WWII broke out, she was having tea with the neighbors and helping raise their kids. Just discussing the day. Choas and war breaking out across the globe, but she was determined to hear about you. And for the kids, she would teach them that everybody was different, and we need to love everybody for who they are. Not who you want them to be.

And she loved everyone. Even you. Even though she never met you. She always said "Everyone is welcome in this home, as long as they take off their hat at the dinner table, leave hate out of their hearts, and tell me about their day."

The only time I ever remember her saying anything negative, was somebody had said during trumps first term something he was doing in office.

Her reply was "I just do not like that man."

AIRHORNS!!!

I know that sounds so non-aggressive, but for her to say she didn't like someone would be like a world leader declairing WWIII. The room literally went quiet.

So I try to live my life to keep making Gram proud. Accept everyone, even if you disagree with them. You can't just accept those you get along with, and not create an echo chamber.

So if you're ever in Cleveland, you can have a meal with me. And maybe when you fly out of state to be with family, you can teach them about letting the hate go.

[-] Canadian_anarchist@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

Your grandma sounds like a wonderful human who lived a wonderful life. I hope you are doing well.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Ugh, everyone has that non-racist uncle nobody likes to see at family gatherings!

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

He always stays sober and doesn't join in the violent and racist tirade

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 48 points 2 years ago

Non-conservarives: I don't want to associate with people who voted for a bigot.

Conservatives: Wow, so much for the tolerant left! I guess we all were not fam in the klerb!

This was basically a Facebook post o saw someone post. Like, how can you, with a straight face, say shit like "I guess we aren't all fam in the klerb" when you voted for the one kicking people out of the damn klerb?

[-] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago
[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago

Nm, what’s a klerb with you?

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Redneck for club. Similar to "they're stealing our jerbs!"

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

I for one don't like associating beards with racist and sexist Americans.

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree, don't let those duck dynasty fucks ruin beard culture.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's weird, in my family the black sheep are the ultra conservatives whereas everyone else leans from Liberal (at the most Right Leaning) to "Let's burn down a mansion and eat the first non-servant who runs out alive!"

I was kinda glad that the uncle who was "Always trying to be my friend, always hip and cool and with it despite actually being none of those things and instead coming off as an annoying asshole." basically stopped talking to me or even acknowledging my existence beyond telling his son/my cousin that I was possessed by Demons that made me cut off my dick and that's why they gotta get the Mexicans outta America before they teach Evolution to white children (Barely an exaggeration), and his son/my cousin was smart enough to basically say "My Dad says you're evil, but I'm actually going to be somewhat nice although still an annoying little bible thumping shit, because if you're evil you have all the Satanic Video Games in VR!"

and I said "Well at least you have some level of thinking for yourself, here's my Occulus (I'm not calling it a Meta), go nuts."

Lately only my Aunt has been coming to Thanksgiving Dinners while the uncle and cousin have been staying at home, apparently she's starting to get sick of their Right Wing Christofascist Bullshit.

For the record, she's Anti-LGBT, Pro-Trump, and believes they eat dogs in Ohio, she's just sane by comparison to her husband and son.

Like it's the difference between "Trump's racist, but at least he's not a Democrat" Vs. "Trump is literally the Messiah, We're gonna send the infidels to Christ for Judgement!", Far Right Vs. QAnon Shit

We're very civil about it in the hopes that she and hopefully the son too, can break away from her husband's nonsense.

For the record: My aunt is the one related by blood, not the uncle.

I will say this, I hate Reddit Atheists; the kind that jump on your case for shouting "Oh God!" when you're scared and worship the Sacred Texts of St. Hitchens. But if every religious person I ever met was like my uncle and his son, I'd totally get why Reddit Atheists are the way they are...

Last time the kid came to Thanksgiving, he was talking to my sister about Jurassic Park... Then during dinner when I was just making conversation, (Everyone eats at the same table, we don't have a separate "Kid's Table" sides they were in their late teens anyway) I made the mistake of treating dinosaurs as if they were real and not an elaborate creation of Hollywood.

He kept chanting "The Big Bang is a Faerie Tale, not a theory!" until I "apologized to Jesus for my blasphemy."

They actually had to take him out of public school and put him in a private Fundie school because he kept failing his classes due to trying to claim most of History and Science didn't actually exist on his assignments.

I'm deeply worried; one day that guy (He's an adult now) is going to leave the bubble created for him by his Church and his father, and he will not be even slightly equipped to begin to comprehended the world outside.

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[-] bilb@lem.monster 15 points 2 years ago

In my family, the more conservative guys are the clean shaven ones. Weird.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago

Also, GenZ men voted for fascism more than millennial men so this comic really is backwards

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[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

"but if you were so open minded why won't you listen to Joe Rogan?" Actual point made by Trump supporting relative

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

Attitude like this would make the problem worse, this is not how they see it and if they were to see this comic, it would push them away more.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

Yeah, you're right. We don't want to offend any racists.

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