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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 139 points 2 years ago

Fuck poachers, don't get me wrong, but fucking hell, I wish people had the same kind of energy when it came to billionaires, who are literally responsible for the deaths of millions of humans (by virtue of hoarding so many resources as well as creating and maintaining a system that relies on exploitation and suffering to benefit them and only them).

If only society cared about oppressed and marginalised people as much as it does about cute animals.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Society doesn't care about cute or endangered animals. The rangers represent a minority.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 35 points 2 years ago

Society doesn’t care about cure or endangered animals

That's bullshit.
I'd agree that not enough people care, but significantly more people care about cute endangered animals than they do marginalised and oppressed human beings.

It doesn't take a study to see the difference in attitudes and engagement (though studies have been done, feel free to invest your own time looking them up).

The fact that you've responded to me to focus on the animals but not on the people my comment is actually about is a perfect illustration of my point.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago

The fact that you’ve responded to me to focus on the animals but not on the people my comment is actually about is a perfect illustration of my point.

That's all a narrative you created in your head. Besides, many of the same solutions that would protect endangered species would also protect marginalized people. You're trying to make this into a Trolley Dilemmas for some reason. Who do you think are the ones buying dick powder made form Rhino horns?

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[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 87 points 2 years ago

I, for one, fully support this development.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

While I like the idea of every poacher being neutralised, I also understand that the "poach police" may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity; plus many poachers may be poor af hired-guns that aren't the actual source or root cause for the market, and may not dent the trade at all... Hope I'm wrong.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 13 points 2 years ago

I also understand that the “poach police” may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity;

Is there any evidence that that has been happening? (This article is from 2017, and it mentions "more than 20" poachers being killed in 2015, but doesn't mention any non-poachers being killed, which it seems it would have, given it's talking about the downsides.)

While I agree that taking the fight to the people financing the poaching, reducing the number of poachers - and providing a very clear disincentive for other "poor af" hired-guns to take up the mantle - could still help.

Personally, I don't think any implied sanctity of human life extends to people who are killing endangered animals for profit.

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 65 points 2 years ago

We could reduce the numbers of Nazis like this as well. All in favour?

[-] Filipdaflippa@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

What if I told you that's what the Nazis did to people they didn't like..

[-] mrpants@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago

Ohh wow you are very smart

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Oh were not simping for Nazis on Lemmy any time soon. Twitter is that way -->

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[-] Fuckass@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No it isn’t. The WWF is doing this and the result is a bunch of paramilitaries running around killing and raping random people. Not to mention, in Africa, many of the “anti poaching” organizations are run by ex-Rhodesian mercenaries/officers. Just some old white guys who are rich and want to feel powerful by killing black people with immunity and commanding other black people.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

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[-] beefcat@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago

I did not expect so many upvoted poacher sympathizers in this thread. I am disappointed.

Poachers aren’t poor. They make assloads of money off their illegitimate trade. They have plenty of skills that could be put to profitable use elsewhere. They simply choose poaching because it is more profitable.

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[-] Durk@beehaw.org 37 points 2 years ago

I mean, this is not really a solution. Poachers don't do what they do because they're greedy and hate animals, they do it because they're poor and have often no other choice but to risk their lives to make a living, and they are probably getting something like 10$ per rhino horn. This is a systematic problem perpetually reinforced by the actual people we should be shooting: the millionaires who hire the poachers. They are the ones destroying the environment, exploiting animals and people and reselling those same rhino horns for ridiculous amounts of money on the black market.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Then they should be stealing from the rich. Not killing endangered species.

And at ~ $20000 USD/kg for African and ~400000 USD/kg for Asian, and them not taking the meat. Its definitely for profit and not survival.

[-] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

It's simple math, if you kill animals and get caught you get one maybe up to 10 years in prison. If you kill/steal from a millionaire you get lifetime of troubles and jail and possibly put your family in danger too.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 years ago

Well, it appears trying to kill an Asian Rhino in India is much more dangerous than robbing the rich.

Or did you miss the part that they are killing the poachers?

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[-] Jerrimu2@startrek.website 32 points 2 years ago

If we don’t protect the planet, it will kill us.

See: recent orca war.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I wasn't there to see them but I can imagine the star trek memes surrounding that were pretty quality

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[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 years ago

Begun, the rhino wars have

[-] Polymath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 years ago

It is important to note here how well-indoctrinated the US and Europe are to "point the finger" and absolve responsibility...

We don't refer to stuff as "deforestation," we call it "urban planning" or "development."
We don't talk about "poaching," we just accept that farmers and the agriculture industry finds natural predators inconvenient, so we allow them to kill off coyotes, foxes, mountain lions, etc.

We have just as many people doing similar, but for some reason we're only taught to lose our minds over conservation elsewhere, in the places where the US intentionally destabilizes (with Europe) to keep prices low for us. After all, it's what our economies are built upon: ruin everywhere, so we can call ourselves the heroes for killing off indigenous folks to areas just for the crime of living and wanting things to feel fair.

Check yourself. This isn't "the way"

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[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago

Poacher poachers poaching the poachers?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

No, because they have a license to hunt poachers.

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[-] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago

Ah, the Hogwarts Legacy approach

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Average Hogwarts student: Charms homework is so difficult, but later we're going to prank that annoying ravenclaw by putting slugs in his hat lol.

HL Protagonist: If I can group these goblins and dark wizards together, I can kill a dozen of them with a single killing curse. Excellent!

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Eco-fascists unite, huh?

How long do any of you idiots upvoting this think it'll be until these (so-called) "rangers" start selling rhino horn themselves? That is... if they haven't already and this is really just them clearing out the competition?

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

You're telling on yourself with all that projection...

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[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 16 points 2 years ago

no, fuck murder.

Don't get me wrong, fuck poachers, but murder is never the solution, it just breeds escalated violence.

[-] pm_boobs_send_nudes@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Actually they tried the normal way, where they didn't shoot and asked the poachers to surrender / tried to arrest them. But the rangers would get shot and the animals would continue to get poached.

Seeing this as a problem, a new executive order / law was passed allowing shoot at sight orders at national parks / protected zones.

Poaching has reduced, the number of rangers getting shot has reduced. The number of poachers getting shot has reduced (they don't wanna fuck around anymore).

Overall it has increased peace.

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[-] stewie3128@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

This would become my full-time job if I ever became independently wealthy.

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