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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opposed any deal letting Russia keep Ukrainian land, saying it would encourage other countries to break international rules.

Speaking to a NATO meeting, he highlighted Canada’s $19.5 billion aid to Ukraine and stressed the need to defend global stability.

Trudeau defended his plan to raise military spending to 2% of GDP by 2032 after criticism of Canada’s low defense funding.

He warned against isolating Ukraine, saying continued support is crucial to stop further global conflicts.

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[-] dgmib@lemmy.world 102 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If Russia is permitted to annex any part of Ukraine it sends the message that they can attack any country and eventually take over parts of it.

If the world doesn’t stop Russia from taking Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to stop once they’ve taken Ukraine.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 40 points 3 weeks ago

Can’t understand why you’re being downvoted. This is quite literally the collective assessment of NATO.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

It’s also essentially why NATO exists. I understand the “not involved in conflict” clause for applying but this seems like a special occasion where the conflict is coming from the whole reason the damn organization was created in the first place

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[-] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 62 points 3 weeks ago

Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We've helped, sure, but we need to do more.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 weeks ago

Agree 100% we can't rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can

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Tax the rich to fund it lol.

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[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 62 points 3 weeks ago

2/3rds of Ukrainians want the same. They just need the help to resist the Russian invasion.

Poll data was part of Perun's latest video on the latest developments of the war and what the turning point will be:

https://youtu.be/vf2vSoWsmgI (0:50:38)

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 49 points 3 weeks ago

getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you're not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you're gonna have a few deluded souls who've allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you're also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i'd estimate there's around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so "should we retain our boundaries when this is over" is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago

With the war this long, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, "Let's just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it's worth the lives saved."

I've been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.

I'm not saying it's right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don't agree with not giving an inch to Russia.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago

I assume the other 3rd are "Ukrainian" in the way that they've been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.

Hell, 45 became 47

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

The US elections aren't the only thing targeted by the Kremlin's propaganda

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn't oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn't affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago

Trudeau is spot on and Canada should ask the Blue States if they would like to be annexed.

[-] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah sure, it will go like this:
2025 - blue states join Canada
2026 - red states aka the remainder of the USA face growing unrest as their funding handouts are cut off
2026 - tech companies in the province of Canifornia stop sharing new tech breakthroughs with USA due to posturings by their increasingly expanding military industrial complex and proposed weapon developments
2027 - huge skills drain in USA as health professionals and remaining scientists flee to Canada
2028 - Gilead starts amassing troops and staging 'special military exercises' on their border with Canada

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

20 billion

Man, I'm jealous.

His country has universal health care and isn't wasting trillions a year policing the world like we are.

[-] Burghler@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago

Our healthcare system has been deteriorating over the last 5-8 years now though with many healthcare professionals leaving the force for higher paying US opportunities. It's lead to an annoying experience out here for anyone younger than 40 seeking healthcare.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Healthcare is also provincially managed

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[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

I'll let you in on something else. We spend as much taxes per capita on healthcare as America does.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

"International rules"? Is that a thing?

[-] Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Theoretically, it has been since the Germans lost WW1

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

I just have to laugh every time I hear people pretend it means anything other than "powerful countries doing whatever they want".

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[-] agrv13@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

only if its not israel or us

russia is very much wrong here, but the western hypocrisy of ukraine vs palestine is next level of disgusting.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

We really are at the point of "Well this guy wants us to exterminate innocents, and this guy wants us to not do that, so how about we only kill 3 Million jews this time instead of 6 million eh?" of Neo-Liberal discourse

NO! Don't let Russia have a god damn thing, not even a single glass of water that comes from Ukraine.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. I hope Ukrainians abroad step up and go back to defend their country. Working in the technology industry I know there are many Ukrainian men who have left and hold jobs at technology companies. It’s time to go back and fight.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure that the best way for a software developer to support the war effort is by carrying a gun.

Hopefully if they support the defense of Ukraine, they find a way to support the Defence of Ukraine. I'm hesitant to prescribe the best way to do that.

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[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

US goes to Afghanistan, build bases in Syria, destroy Iraq, police every country in the world. Along with facilitating Israel annex of Palestine and illegal land grab.

Yet Canada is not interested in making any statement.

If Mexico goes socialist for any reason, will see Canadian soldiers in the front line annexing Mexico with the US.

Hypocrisy in foreign affairs are fucked up, and escalating the aggression has no benefit for mankind.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 12 points 3 weeks ago

Canadian soldiers annexing Mexico

Pure insanity

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