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Evil company vs artist
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Banksy
Guess
All I see are two companies.
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Banksy is overrated sentimental trash and I will die on this hill. Also yeah it's a money making cooperative, not a single artist
Also aren't a few of his(their) pieces literally made of collages of other people's art?
That’s fair use. Using small parts of something to create something new. It’s transformative in nature.
Is banksy making money from those images? Afaik no one's ever claimed the graffiti to sell it.
How did this play out?
I'm pretty sure it's still playing out. Two years later, Guess will have dropped their guard. If I gave a shit about their crap clothing, I'd give it a whirl. And leave a postcard of the Banksy painting. lol.
hand them out at the nearest encampment if the clothes don't appeal to you
Brilliant! Tho' I must share, I don't know anything about their clothes, quality, style, price, nothing. I can't even seem to get their website to load so I can search out a store location. I'm pretty sure if I turned off those silly script blockers it might load, but can't seem to raise the interest needed to find out.
Umm, isn't Banksy's entire career centered around helping himself to others property without asking permission?
I'm honestly confused if he is using this display to advance his subversive messaging or if he is upset that he is the one being subverted.
As far as I know, he doesn't make money from that. He gets publicity from street art, but it's not like someone is paying for it —at least, they aren't paying for it to be created, but many will pay more for it after.
The public has a right to public spaces
He's just noting that Guess has entered the ring.
wait wait wait wait ... if I vandalize property, do I get intellectual property rights over the creation?? Or even ignoring the legal aspect, do I get moral rights to the creation? Not sure I have the balls to make that claim.
Yes, you absolutely do get Copyright protection: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_Kingdom (see the section on “Qualification for protection”)
You don’t get property rights over the physical object, but you automatically get copyright protections on the work itself.
Those are completely separate things and there’s no reason they would be tied together.
How is creating a work of art by an artist of worldwide renown on an ugly bare concrete wall vandalism? If it in some way affected the utility or even the aesthetics, you might have a point. But trying to make a crime out of improving public spaces through art is just silly.
except that it's literally a crime to vandalize public spaces to impose your ideas, aesthetics, and art on the public. Are you in actual denial or what is happening here?
this is not a comment on my opinion of Banksy's artistic value. But a major component of their art is the simple fact that it IS a crime. If you take that away, it loses most of its meaning.
Cool...so it's ok for businesses to force their ideas, aesthetics, and art on the public because...money?
I think it's more ownership and permission than money (although unfortunately they often overlap). You're allowed to paint your own house, but not somebody else's unless you have permission to do so.
Exactly. You can get a permit to place artwork on public property, but there's a significant amount of red tape there. You can even be commissioned to place artwork on public property, but that's pretty niche.
If you don't want to deal with that, place your artwork on private property and display it publicly from there.
You should be able to form your arguments about the merits of Banksy's work and whether or not they commit crimes without pulling in emotional and irrelevant facts like, "I don't like everything I can see advertized (typically on private property) from public."
Look, their whole shtick is that their art is criminal. That's their fucking gimmick. I don't know why people are pushing back so hard on this.
You're not wrong that it's illegal or that that is part of Banksy's "gimmick". I agree with you that, legally, what they do is vandalism.
But I'd guess you're getting pushback because you seem to be defending private property, which Banksy and perhaps their more politically-knowledgeable fans, likely view as unjust on the whole.
I'm guessing by the downvotes there some people here that don't understand what banksy does exactly. Although they do occasionally use some canvas and frames, most of their work is graffiti.
Exactly. It's amazing graffiti, but it's graffiti all the same.
curious how you know it's vandalism. like murals are a thing, getting approval from the building owner is a thing, one of the parts I miss most about my hometown was the art everywhere, but "fuck you" if you use spray paint as your medium I guess
You're asserting that Banksy gets permission from the owner of the wall before they paint on it? If so there's a lot of people out there pretending to know nothing about it when some art appears on their walls.
I'm not asserting anything, I was asking why he was asserting that it was definitively vandalism lol
If they had paid for use of the wall it would be very easy for them to prove it's not vandalism. They've never said they had permission, that I'm aware of. Can you link to them saying they do?
The point is we don't know, so we can't be sure it's vandalism. We just don't know.
dude. as I just said im literally not trying to make a point, I don't care enough to find a link or whatever. please get off my booty cheeks lmao
I thought about that as well, but don't forget that this can also be commissioned. Where I live this happens a lot on places where they know people are gonna spray anyway. It's a lot nicer to look at and other sprayers are less likely to spray over it
To be fair, we all know that Banksy's work was not commissioned by anyone.
Banksy got da balls
No, you don’t.
I'm kind of surprised it was Guess instead of Urban Outfitters. UO is always always lifting other people's work
Can't say I agree with the path he took to get there, but I do agree with the conclusion.
this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2024
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