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So they'll be coming in every day to their offices in Washington right?
...right?
You got to love this. The Pentagon just failed its 7th audit in a row. It has a budget of $1tr. And yet the cost savings team decides that penny pinching by making life harder for workers is where the real savings are to be found. Not the giant black hole of finance which is the military industrial complex.
I contract for uscis. It's fully distributed, there's no way to enforce this without crippling the agency. So it would hobble the mass deportation plan. Very curious how this might turn out
Saying the quiet part out loud again.
They believe that us not being forced to do what they want simply because they want it is a "privilege," and one that they can and will just arbitrarily decree to be null and void.
That says pretty much everything you meed to know about what they really think about everyone other than themselves.
And ironically enough, what they think is that they themselves are privileged.
Get a government job they said, it’s super safe and secure they said.
Guy who sells cars wants people to need cars.
So, he and his cabinet will be working 8 hours a day at least 5 days a week in DC ? Can we get that in written please ?
Maybe not in DC, but don't underestimate how many hours most of these psychopaths actually work. They do come to work (maybe not in DC, but to some office somewhere) and work for 100 hours a week, because they place no value on anything other than work. You can fault them for many things, but billionaires are almost always true psychopaths with no concept of anything beyond working to achieve power.
Trump is a different story. He'll say the golf course is his office, where he makes his deals.
You can fault them for many things, but billionaires are almost always true psychopaths with no concept of anything beyond working to achieve power.
I can definitely fault them for that
I liked the meme posted a month ago...
"Great. I get to delete my work email and collaboration apps from my phone"
Musk made a rant last year interview that "It is immoral for you to work from home if people building your car, or delivering your food cannot". As an employer, you have the option to pay more for extra expenses/time involved in coming to office if that is super important to you.
I'm not going to take lessons in morality from Mr. I-Promote-Nazis-On-My-Website
I don't think we should ever listen to moral opinions from ANYONE who has dedicated their lives to skimming as much money as possible off other people's hard work, and not just a few people but millions and millions. They are whatever the capitalist, economic version of a serial killer is.
Nah, I don't agree with paying people more to come into the office. Working at home has costs for me that the company doesn't compensate me for, plus it saves the company money in infrastructure and resources. If you get paid more to come into the office, I want to be paid more for my electricity, plus the desk and chair and monitor and the space in my house for them.
The average commute commutes 30 minutes each way, traveling an average of 15 miles, for a total time cost of 250 hours for a job wherein you are paid for 2080 hours of work.
The cost per vehicle mile is now about $0.72 including all costs. The average commuter traveling 15 miles one way will burn $5,400 commuting. Man then there is the cost of childcare. For instance maybe your kid gets home at 4P and you get off at 5P. If you commute you'll be back and 5:30 and you have to find a solution. One solution is one partner arrange to be off but that has its own cost. If you want to itemize the cost of having someone pick up and watch your kid its about $15-20 an hour 180 days * 2 hours or so. So up to $7000. This is not even counting the times that kids have the day off from school but mom and dad don't or times a kid is sick.
That is to say you commit 12% more unpaid work + commuting costs for the privilege of being there in person. If the median worker earns about 60,000 they are incurring as much as $20,000 in costs in both time, transportation, and childcare.
Compare that to the cost of running the company laptop 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year is about $10. A home office can be had for $1000 ever. As far as the space I have one which I've worked out of in my tiny studio come on man. Are you really shocked that you have to pay someone more to come in?
Hell we haven't even talked about the cost of living in the expensive places companies like to situate themselves vs the surrounding oft cheaper areas!
https://www.care.com/c/after-school-transportation-for-kids-cost/ https://data.bts.gov/stories/s/Transportation-Economic-Trends-Transportation-Spen/bzt6-t8cd/ https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html
There is also expense/time of hygiene, laundry, drycleaning, restaurant lunch/coffees/snacks
Before Trump’s tax “cuts” you could deduct home office expenses from your income on your taxes. Any improvements or utilities just for the office area were 100% deductible, and a certain percentage of household expenses based on the square footage of your home and office.
Specifically, you don't qualify for those cuts if you're a W2 employee. You can if you're a 1040. Because of the way Covid worked out, that ended up meaning a whole lot of people got chopped off from a tax cut they otherwise would have had.
I had been working from home before Covid as a W2. The credit wasn't big; it amounted to a few hundred bucks for the year. But it's not nothing, and I always remember it when MAGA says Trump cut your taxes.
I usually got a couple thousand in deductions. But I included 10% of all my housing expenses including my mortgage, not just utilities. Then again I had oil heat with an electric baseboard in a leaky house for most of that so my heating bills were astronomical.
I wonder how all the folks working from home getting a fat tax deduction would have changed history.
I mean, coming into the office also has additional costs associated. Fuel, mileage, commute time, etc.
Imagine owning the libs by spending your whole life trapped in an office serving capital.
Ha ha, joke's on them. Our office doesn't have space for all of us. We downsized to ..gasp.. save money, which is what the federal government is supposed to do. They'd also have to renegotiate the union contract, something they just finished doing, so it's not something they really even can address for several years at least.
But Biden isn't squeaky clean on this either, he mandated some percentage of office space being utilized. Supposedly this was to help local businesses, like the fast food chicken place across the street that has survived without us there for almost 5 years now. (They were renovating our building and had us all move out during the pandemic.)
But there's something wrong with the formula being used to calculate utilization of the building - and in our case, even if every cube was full every day, we still wouldn't meet the requirement, because of how it's calculated. I don't have details, but it apparently includes space people can't occupy - like server rooms and the cafeteria - and there's no way to get an exception.
I'm pretty sure upper management would continue the telework setup if they could (I really think they intended to be primarily remote before the Biden administration put the brakes on it). But higher authorities have said no. Our current telework agreement is that we have to go into the office twice per pay period (two weeks), which isn't too bad, but I'd still prefer not. My return to office is scheduled for February. We're bracing for a lot of people to find other jobs or retire, and it has already begun.
I'm hoping to retire in about 7 years. Maybe this next administration will buy me out. I'd be open to a generous severance package.
it apparently includes space people can’t occupy - like server rooms and the cafeteria - and there’s no way to get an exception.
I'm sure they've convened a committee to schedule a meeting to begin discussions on the color of the folder for the updated rules that will fix this. So maybe by 2030 you'll be able to hit your utilization goals.
We kept it gray!
Lol they're not going to get top talent unless they raise pay
why federal employees and not the private sector? oh right you want to fire half of the first group.
That’s the thing which makes it all funny, RTO in the private sector was a failure.
Sure some people went back cause they were forced to, but offering remote work for new positions is very popular now.
Companies have power over their current employees but not the new ones. So the industry is becoming more remote friendly overall as salty CEOs cling on to their smaller and smaller workforce of in office loyalists.
Well, also how would they mandate that for private companies?
Most CEOs are the worst kind of trump bootlickers. And musk too. My last job, CEO thought musk was a genius and had a list of his “rules for business” laminated on his desk.
Ew, not to kink shame, but getting off on Musk and Business at the same time should be illegal
well it is enough for Elon to suggest it. that is the kind of presidency they will be running as is obvious from Disney, IBM etc going back to advertising with Xitter
Anyone wanna bet on how many days Trump is at Mar-a-Lago during his presidency?
Remember when he complained about how many days of vacation Obama took, then took more than that in half as many years?
I too want to work from the golf course.
Honestly, I'll be surprised if he spends more than a few days at the White House.
"Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome". this is and was always the reason american businesses were eager to force everybody back tp work. eat the rich.
I agree! If Elon musk cannot show up to his offices at Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter, xAI, and Washington for 8 hours Monday-Friday, he should be fired without severance as CEO or co-chair of his government department.
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