In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don't keep forever anyway.
And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.
nah that's right. we've sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we've been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)
And we're also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.
It’s literal economic stimulus, US sends them old shit, and buys new and more expensive shit from local military suppliers. This is the “creating jobs” thing the right likes so much, except when it’s against Russian interests
Yes, but it is really inefficient. If we simply ignore the nuke threat it would probably take the US a month of bombing to restore pre 2014 borders.
Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.
The tankies aren't going to like this meme.
If they browse NCD they'll be mad a lot. People on here have the normal take on whether the North Koreans are secret Wakanda good guys, and it comes up constantly.
I believe he is 100% serious. And I still think it shouldn't matter. The conflict will grow regardless, and the West shouldn't concede a single inch to the psychopathic asshole.
Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.
Why are WE the ones afraid of consequences? Why should the so-called "mightiest nation on Earth" be the one that cowers whenever someone makes nuclear threats? Didn't we used to lead the world in creating fear of our military and our nuclear weapons?
I don't get how the right in particular treats the USA like a mighty jugger- nah I can't even frame my rhetorical thought, we all know that Russia is deeply involved in shaping the opinions and attitudes of our country's dumbest fuckwads.
The US military is a juggernaut in conventional war, but there's no winners in nuclear war.
Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.
And sadly I believe that a lot of Americans would prefer isolationism and are fine with this, as they'd get to cut military spending.
Of course, Europeans buy American goods and vice versa. If Russia ruled over all of Europe, Putin could just stop all trade with the US as a giant middle finger.
My bet is, if Putin dares to drop a single nuke, he will get assassinated. Lot of secret service agents, and other enthusiasts are straight up going to try that. During war that's allowed right?
Mutually assured destruction is still a thing. We may not be at Cold War levels of insanity, where between the US and Russia there were enough nukes to glass the planet like 150 times over, but plenty of nations have arsenals (especially in Europe), and the best way to make enemies of the entirety of the world would be to be the first one to launch a nuke. Dropping a nuke would signal to every leader in the world that no country is safe from becoming an irradiated wasteland.
I think if Putin dropped a nuke, his allies would drop him faster than it would take NATO to declare all out war with Russia.
You say that, and yet Exxon-Mobil have proven that actively trying to destroy the world does nothing to turn world leaders away from trying to buddy up with you.
When you exon does it, it's slowly and for money. So there are "winners". Nukes have no winners.
My point was, the assassination goal would be him not being able to drop a second one. Also slay the first 100 people in the chain of command and leave them headless.
Cool thing is that nuclear winter will fight global warming
Unfortunately, nobody would be able to take him out that quickly. Russia still has plenty of nukes, and they could fire them all before anybody has time to react. If that nuke is an ICBM, though, as soon as it leaves the silo the world would know, and the counter barrage of nukes would be firing up before it even lands.
I originally meant that dropping a nuke would have the entire world declare war on Russia, even his former allies because no one wants to rule over a pile of radioactive rocks, but thinking about it, his allies would probably be the ones most likely to try to have him assassinated in that situation. A maniac with a big stick is only useful so long as you don't have to worry about him smacking you with it, too.
I think if you're assassinating a public figure you're a little past caring about what's "allowed"
I was taking about like, it's considered a war crime? Skipping the soldiers dying and straight up killing the dude.
Well once the nuke is dropped, anything related to Geneva Conventions or any other Conventions go out the window.
Fox news is desperately pushing this and signal boosting their true leader constantly.
Fox has been pumping up the Russophobia since Putin started saber-rattling, most likely to justify Trump’s incoming “peace negotiations” that will result in sacrificing Ukrainian territory.
They need Biden to go easy on russia until the fat orange can get in power and come save daddy putin.
That’s exactly why Biden authorized Ukraine to use US missiles on Russian territory and supplied antipersonnel mines.
Man, I wonder if those Russian propaganda guys ever wish they had more non-bullshit to spew. Like, they have to keep up appearances, but it's usually easy to tell which statements are for the public, and which ones they might actually mean (like the threat to do proxy wars of their own), so it's just a lot of wasted words.
Can someone explain to me why it's ridiculous to take them seriously? Genuine question.
that's because MAD still works and things like sending ATACMS are nowhere close to actual nuclear threshold, which would be nuclear attack or overwhelming conventional invasion threatening existence of country. nobody would be even thinking of nukes until Ukrainian tanks roll to Moscow lol. if you have a spare hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKGYnO0Jf4
When your enemy has strategic nukes, the extreme ways to respond are:
A, not taking the nuclear threat seriously.
B, give up.
Saying we shouldn't arm Ukraine because of nukes is close to option B.
Nukes may go off, but if arming Ukraine is the trigger, than we were likely to witness nuclear war because we wouldn't accept option B, rather than any weapon system giving Ukraine an advantage. If that is the case, nuclear war has most likely already been decided.
The real game is to make those in Russia believe that backing down works towards their goals. If they hope in 20 years the US will fall apart, they may wait, or maybe someone will kill Putin and take over Russia, being rewarded by less sanctions.
Long story short, nuking Ukraine don't benifit Russia more than it will hurt it.
I am not an expert
And where do you stop appeasement? Kyiv? Warschau? Berlin? Amsterdam? London?
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