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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago

It makes them uncomfortable to talk about it. Or acknowledge it's lingering effects. It's much more uncomfortable for the people suffering the lingering effects. But that's not what's important./s

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 26 points 1 month ago

It doesn’t make them uncomfortable. They just don’t want people to know that they’re still doing it.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Well that is why it makes them uncomfortable. People knowing what they're doing:-)

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Still doing it / going to significantly ramp it up. Think those immigrants are ever getting out of the camps? Nah, they'll just be free labor now. As will plenty of Americans.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Didn't you hear? The past was always better, and Now is always the low ebb in the decline of our civilization until we return to the values that made yesterday great.

If the past is somehow to blame for the problems of today, that might mean there was something wrong with the past. If that's the case, then maybe other things from the past have problems, including things that I like or benefit me personally, or that changing would imply a lot of big scary changes that I'm not ready for.

That's why attempts to talk about little mistakes from the past like chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, phillipino genocide or endemic discrimination and institutionalized racism are just attempts by bad people to tear down perfection and keep us from returning to a simpler, better time where those mistakes never happened.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This doesn’t have to be controversial, just read the confederate state’s declarations of succession. The cause of the civil war isn’t open for interpretation. The people who succeeded litterally wrote down and formally publicized their reasons.

none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Don't forget the part where if you joined the Confederacy you signed:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in Negro slaves shall be passed.”

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

and a blow at slavery is a blow at civilization

Oh fuck if I had three wishes one of them would be to get a hatchet and get into a ring with whatever fucktard wrote that.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Go read what the other states wrote. There’s more fun in there!

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I'm already angry enough at humanity.

I'm genuinely ready to go to the street and burn shit down and I don't even live in the states. (I've got some of my own problems where I live as well.)

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[-] belastend@slrpnk.net 40 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but have you considered that both sides bad?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

This is business as usual, I was told, nothing would change, us shitlibs were just scaremongering about Trump.

[-] aeternum 9 points 1 month ago

Sure. But one side is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the other

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

They barely teach about it as it is. My daughter's social studies textbook had page after page about Marbury v. Madison and two paragraphs about Harriet Tumbman.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Harriet Tubman was a great hero, but she did not shape society. Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional. That's massive. Brown v. Board of Education or Roe v. Wade rely on that.

Judicial review has been adopted by republics around the world (though not all). Writing as a European, I believe it's a greatly underappreciated US contribution to global culture and the cause of democracy and human rights.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional.

That is literally all a 14-year-old needs to know about it.

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[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Recently watched a drunk history episode about spies, one of the segments featured Harriet Tubman. Absolutely worth a watch, you can find it on YouTube free.

Did you know she was Americas first female military leader? I didn’t till I saw that! And I got a half decent education where they didn’t gloss over slavery (helps I grew up in NY).

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Can't have schools teaching about slavery in the land of the free. It just doesn't fit with the theme.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

It was always about bringing slavery back.

Ever since we shed blood to end it, they've been trying to bring it back.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Slavery never ended.

Ever see those stupid laws like “don’t ride a horse on a Sunday?” Or look at when “vagrancy” laws were passed, or differences in sentencing between crack and coke.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Look at prison rates and racial backgrounds in the south. Look at how felonies are used to disenfranchise. Look at the war on drugs.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's what the majority of white voters want

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[-] aeternum 12 points 1 month ago

#LandOfTheFree

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

In his 6min 1A speech the week after winning he’s going off about censorship and social media moderation. He asked Republican legislators to send retain your records letters to the universities in their states. He then said he was going to pull funding from all universities guilty of censorship/moderation not just going forward, but in the past as well.

He had a bit about never using the “labels” misinformation and disinformation going forward. It’s unclear if that piece is included in that threat to universities.

[-] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago
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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

“Let’s say.. they just decide … ‘Oh, we’re gonna get rid of…history,” Kilmeade posed. “We got new history. This is America built off the backs of slaves on stolen land, and that curriculum comes in.”

“We don’t send them money,” Trump responded. “We would save half of our budget.”

So.. Wait. I heard about the controversy with CRT, but what's this? Are they really saying native Americans were treated fairly and slavery wasn't a big part of the southern economy??

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

Gotta love how the faux host, Brian Kilmeade, is already implying that 'murica being built off the backs of slaves and stolen land is "new history" instead of factual history

[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I find there's usually an angle, rather than the wholesale reinvention of history. So I wonder what they're aiming for here? (Or really, is it a literal bare faced rewriting of history because that feels like a sad escalation)

If it were finding an "angle", I suspect it's going to be something like "native American tribes partnered with the colonies in their wars with each other, much of the land was bought in a voluntary way, only some of it was stolen etc". And "it's unfair to characterise the whole of America being built on slavery, state of Mississippi maybe, state of New York less so". Or something like that.

I've no idea what numbers they'd pull out for either of these, or where the actual objective truth lies.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There isn't Just One Source article. It's been nearly 4 years worth of articles. Across many different publications. Look up anything where conservatives mention woke. They use it as a code word. In context to mean either addressing issues of racial oppression and disparity. Or gender discrimination. Sometimes both in the same usage.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is just a continuation of the current indoctrination system. For example, they don't teach about the founding slavers either. Everything is a whitewash.

A culture that is founded on racist delusions and fantasies is not capable of teaching accurate history.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

1 out of every 5 Black voters voted for Trump.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So 4 out of every 5 black voters voted against Trump.

[-] LMagicalus@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

3 out of every 5 white voters voted for Trump.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Can't have those uppity workers understanding what you're trying to inflict upon them...

[-] Pofski@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Those of you with some knowledge and basic video capabilities might consider doubling down on youtube, and using your channel to pimp other video platforms like peertube in case of youtube censorship.

[-] 7toed@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

~~in case of~~ youtube censorship.

Every corp will bend the knee, advertisers flocking back to twitter like some Mafia deal. Google is already facing antitrust laws so I'm sure they're willing to do what they can to get out of the shitter. Be mirroring your content regardless. And this goes further to services like Google photos, storage is relatively cheap.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Try out the new America!!! Same shit taste, but now with even more racism!!!!

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

They are probably still getting funds if they teach how positive and helpful slavery was to the victims, and how important slavery was for businesses to be profitable for the owners.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well at least the US will be like the rest of the civilized world. UK public school history:

  • Battle of Hastings
  • Henry VIII
  • (Cromwell is briefly mentioned in passing)
  • (Noticeably large gap)
  • WWI + WWII (Churchill is briefly touched on)
  • (Noticeably large gap)
  • Cold War

No skeletons in our closet, we're a civil people!

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