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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853884

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853256

To whom it may concern.

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[-] lemmus@szmer.info 31 points 2 days ago

Ew, that sounds bad. I would prefer "promote open twitter-like social media" instead of "ban X" (you can replace X with any other website/software, even FOSS one). No banning should be allowed in EU.

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah, keep X on and pile up the multi-million fines if they don't comply with laws. That's the only thing companies care about - something eating up their profits.

And if they keep not complying - then ban it altogether, like Brazil did. I prefer to recognize and ban it for the illegal activities it does, not because some folks don't like it and banded together against it.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago

They should pass a resolution that all EU member nations shall create official Mastodon and Lemmy instances. Moderators and admins would be actual jobs constrained by the relevant national or EU law.

(Or replace Mastodon and Lemmy with whatever open platforms you deem appropriate)

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[-] schwim@lemm.ee 70 points 2 days ago

Ah, a change.org petition . I eagerly await the sweeping improvements to life abroad.

[-] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Has any petition here ever actually lead to any change?

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[-] vane@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Why there are always petitions to ban something, not to create something, like eu based social network everyone can join and use for free ?

[-] eunieisthebus@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago

Found the market liberal.

You ban stuff not because it is bad and you want something better. You ban stuff that is so bad that is actually harmful.

[-] Spezi@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The German government already has their own mastodon instance on social.bund.de

Much better alternative to a EU funded social network, as this would automatically drive critics to the assumption, that politicians are controlling the narrative and deleting critical content. Also supports the development of open source and self hosted alternatives this way.

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 114 points 3 days ago

Ah change.org the platform best known for not changing anything ever.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, but they're great at discharging the righteous indignation of people who might otherwise do something extreme like going on demonstrations or start campaigning for non-"moderate" political parties.

This way people just put their personal data next to a meaningless and powerless piece of text on a website alongside that of other people, get the feeling of release after having done something about what pisses them of, and won't do anything further about it.

Petitions are the single greatest invention of the Internet Age to keep the masses dormant (Social Media would've been it if, it wasn't that, as the far-right has shown, it can be used to turn some people into activists).

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 101 points 3 days ago

Everyone who signed the petition should close their Twitter accounts. And write their newspapers that they would cancel their subscriptions if the articles quoted or embedded tweets. I didn't sign any petition, and I'm already doing it. Well, sort of. I didn't have any Twitter account ro close.

[-] itslilith 31 points 3 days ago

Maybe not quote, but embed. They should still quote noteworthy things on there, but don't force us to interact with the site

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

You can always quote without giving the source. "Politician XY said that ...", instead of "Politician XY tweeted that ..."

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I hate the amount of lazy journalism that embedded tweets have spawned, I will find articles that say "people are saying" something and the proof is three random tweets with about 6 likes between them.

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[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

My twitter account is just a link to my mastodon profile, with a script that posts a link to it every week or so to stop it getting banned for inactivity.

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Op, if you want to submit a petition to the EU, you should use their portal https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/en/home not change.org

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago

Exactly. This is the only correct answer. Change.org petitions are as worthless as a 7 euros banknote.

I don't like the idea of governments banning access to a website, unless its like CSAM.

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago

See it more like "preventing a website whose owner refuses to comply withEuropean law from operating in the EU".

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

fuck CSAM, but where do we draw the line?

let laws regulate society and don't let government regulate directly.

for example, instead of banning access to X, outlaw the use of Social media in direct advertising. Make the EU market so hostile towards their business practices they can't legally operate.

then, it's "X" that refuses to operate within the laws we as a people have required, not just an over-reaching autocrat.

[-] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 1 day ago

That's cool for the EU (probably) but there's still the other 90% of the world.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I don't think that banning social platforms is a good idea, unless its hosting illegal content. As bad as ""X"" is, banning it could be a slippery slope.

Although, I don't think this change.org petition will get far.

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 66 points 3 days ago

As much as I dislike Musk, expansion of the great firewall of Europe seems like a bad idea.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

+1

They should discourage institutions from using it (and use government Mastadon instances of course). This is honestly long overdue.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

Corporate nationalist social media like "X" (American oligarchy) and TikTok (Chinese oligarchy) are a danger to the sovereignty and stability of the Western world.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Why stop there, why not ban Elon all together?

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

At least give me some good ole RSS in the backend, and they could host their own Mastodon instances that people can subscribe to from other public instances.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 3 days ago

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

Yeah. When public services solely use Xitter or Facebook pisses me off. We can and should make that shit illegal.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think they should just force him to disclose his shitty algorithm

Edit: Third party, local moderators for social media should also be a standard requirement. No outsourcing of moderation.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Obviously not what they have in use anymore, but for a golden few seconds the algorithm was open source: https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm

[-] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 23 points 3 days ago

Block? No.

Ask public law institutions to not use it. Maybe.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 22 points 3 days ago

I'm glad they at least name mastodon and not bluesky as an alternative.

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