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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 47 points 8 months ago

The idea that it is possible to "diplomacy" your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn't funny at all.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.

Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don't believe he believes in what he's saying).

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 21 points 8 months ago

I don’t think he’s being naive, he knows Trump is going to hang him out to dry, and he can’t win without ongoing US support. So if he’s come to the conclusion that defeat is inevitable, or at least that victory is impossible, then it makes sense to start posturing to that effect, to try to get the best outcome possible later at the negotiating table.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

conflict with a dictator

Only one of these leaders is unelected, and it’s not the one you think.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

I doubt that, but its moot since Russia would inevitably win this war of attrition without having to do it. Also, the whole Russian meat grinder/meat wave thing is just recycled WWII Nazi war propaganda BS.

now that he has his American buddy back in place

CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016

now with added musk funds

Right, Enron Musk is personally keeping the Russian economy afloat with his own money 😂 This one really takes the cake.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

What's it like in that Tank? Is the bread and vodka good? How's the heating?

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[-] Ashelyn 13 points 8 months ago

Logistically, how should Ukraine have held an election earlier this year, on account of dealing with an active invasion and contested territory?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

I don’t know. How should Ukraine have held an election when it has banned eleven political parties? Ukraine had a US-backed coup ten years ago[1][2]. It is nothing close to a democracy.

[-] Ashelyn 13 points 8 months ago

Ok but that doesn't change that they're being actively invaded by Russia right now. That does tend to put a pretty big damper on a country's ability to conduct secure elections.

Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly? I was under the impression that there are a lot of issues with political repression and electrical fraud, but admit that some of those notions could be more propaganda than reality. I'll be reading more into Russian electoral politics and history in the meanwhile.

From what I read so far, it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory. I'm not sure what to make of that.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly?

Putin seems to be genuinely popular, so how fair the last presidential election was is somewhat moot. I think he had a clear majority regardless. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.

it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory.

I can’t speak to the quality of those elections. Eastern Ukraine had been in a civil war with western Ukraine for almost a decade, and many eastern Ukrainians wanted a Russian intervention, but I’m no expert and couldn’t say what percentage wanted one. Back in 2014, Crimea was very easy to annex, because most Crimeans wanted to be annexed. And they fared better than their friends to their north, who suffered almost a decade of attacks by western Ukrainian Banderites.

[-] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 19 points 8 months ago

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

Funny, because it's exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven't managed to escape his regime.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Yeah, if either leader’s army would just leave Ukraine, the war would instantly be over.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

That's what the negotiations are for

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago

Wtf is with you people claiming you know what's best for these countries? Its like you're larping as the us state dept.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm not sure who "you people" are, but at no point did I claim to know what's best, but I sure as fuck know, from knowing history and paying attention, that tyranny doesn't go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.

So a better question would be wtf is with you claiming you know anything at all about global conflict or fascism? Its like you’re ~~larping as~~ a wilfully ignorant and overly confident centrist who is happy to lay others lives on the line and let war rage on as long as we aren't mean to a dictator. 🙄

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Yes we know Zelensky is an unelected dictator. You don't need to project.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Lmfao, where did I even imply that? Talk about projecting.. 😂😂😂

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[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

He's responding to his talks with Trump. He knows US support is going to fade fast under the new guy. He's trying to save his country.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

How to say you're historically illiterate without saying you're historically illiterate. 👆

[-] itslilith 10 points 8 months ago

Oh wow, you got the tankies to come out in force

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

[-] Korkki@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine's coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he's forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

He's likely just going to flee to US or UK in the end.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

He has a mega mansion in Egypt in his mom's name thanks to this war.

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

They absolutely can. Easily. They made a peace deal shortly after war started, but Zelensky accepted weapons bribe promises to keep going instead. As they are nearing the last Ukrainian, and the bribes will dry up, something close to original deal will happen instead. Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.

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[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

So it looks like it's finally happening?

[-] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 32 points 8 months ago

The best time to take ceasefire was before.

The second best time is now

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

The US is clearly starting to distance itself from project Ukraine now. That said, I don't expect that the US will alter its stance to simply admit that Russia has won. The most probable scenario is that Russia and the US will secretly negotiate a behind-the-scenes agreement, and the US will just cut aid to Ukraine while continuing to publicly engage in verbal posturing. The US admin will say that it has more pressing concerns with China and the Middle East, and it's now time for Europe to step up and assume a larger role. However, everyone knows that Europe is not any position to do so. Therefore, the conflict will likely end on Russian terms without the US openly admitting defeat. As an added bonus, the US will secure lucrative military contracts with European nations for decades to come.

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago

Very hopeful,

"We have to understand what the Russians want," Zelenskyy said.

That would mean peace instead of Ukraine becoming a new South Korea. Ukraine led peace negotiations can bring China in to outbid blackrock for the ruins in the country, and perhaps Chinese peacekeepers instead of nazi EU supporters. The Musk plan that was floated is a non-starter with Russia. EU trade deal finally happening is something Zelensky can try for, but Ukraine's purpose was always suicide to the last Ukrainian, and everything dangled as a carrot disappears when they let go of that course.

EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers instead of weaponized nazification to be relevant in the peace.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers

The offers are likely to be predatory IMF/World Bank loans leading to even more neoliberal/neocolonial privatization & austerity.

The US hasn’t given Ukraine a blessed thing: they’ve all been lend-leases that will take the Ukrainian people generations to pay off.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

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[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights.

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