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[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 151 points 7 months ago

Not even moderately helpful for printer questions.

[-] Pyro@programming.dev 73 points 7 months ago

What, your printer doesn't have a full keyboard under its battery? You've gotta get with the times my man.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It sounds like some weird ritual that someone scratched into a notebook.

𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿?? under battery, m͟u͟s͟t͟ f͟i͟n͟d͟ k͟e͟y͟s͟

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 7 months ago

Most desk side support is exactly that.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago

Wait did you edit this image? That's some effort you've put in.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

I actually sent a bunch of prompts through image generators till it gave something close to what I wanted

Using generative AI to try and visualize generative AI

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago

Ah, that's why it's a bunch of symbols that make no sense, thanks for the clarification.

[-] Wilmo@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

80 year old grandmas trying to find the Ctrl and Alt buttons on her printer...

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Did she look under the battery?

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 55 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Google's AI seems dumber than the rest, for example here's Kagi answering the same (using Claude):


edit: typoed question originally

Perhaps Google's tried to make it run too cheaply - Kagi's one doesn't run unless you ask for it, and as a paid product it'll have different priorities.

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There are two meanings being conflated here.

"1/3 more" can mean "+ 1/3" or "* (1 + 1/3)“.

So "1/3 more than 1/3" could be 2/3 or 4/9, but not 1/2.

Instead 1/2 is 1/2 more than 1/3, not 1/3 more. That's the meme I've seen go around recently.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

~~Yes, and the Google AI response is correct (and quite clear) in what it says.~~ edit: Thanks Batman. I mean that Google's understanding of the question is logical (although still the maths is wrong as you say (now I've re-read you)) and its answer explained the angle it was answering from.

However, I think the reasonable assumption for the intention behind the question is relative to a whole. I had third of a pizza, and now I have an extra sixth of a pizza. It's subtle, but that's the kind of thing AI falls down on.

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree with your assessment regarding the intention of the phrase. We're back at the silly arithmetic meme that hinges on not grouping terms explicitly and watching people yell at each other in the mistaken belief that there's one authoritative interpretation of an ambiguous string of symbols.

Still, the actual mistake remains. Why an extra 1/6 of the pizza? 1/3 of 1/3 is 1/9, not 1/6. That's 1/2 of 1/3.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

I thought we were finally agreeing fully! My understanding of the question is "what is the difference between a third (of a pizza, say) and a half?"

1/2 - 1/3 = 1/6
1/2 = 1/3 + 1/6
a half is one sixth more than a third.

btw, I fixed my Kagi screenshot since I'd missed a word from the question (reading comprehension's clearly not my strong point today)

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Aha, yes. Somehow I forgot the difference interpretation for a moment. Oops!

[-] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

You are saying "yes" to a comment explaining why the Google AI response cannot possibly be correct, so what do you mean "and [it's] correct"?

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Ah, you're right - I misunderstood jbrain's point to just be about the "relative to the original" understanding. Guess I'm no smarter than Google's AI.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Kagi has Claude built in? I've been using it for a year and didn't know that.

[-] stetech@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

This is why Kagi is a great company.

Nobody is getting LLM functionality shoved in their faces unless they wanted to.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

this is why i like the DDG approach: don't have the LLM try to reason, just have it pull information from sources you've checked aren't completely insane, and summarize an answer from there.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 39 points 7 months ago

one third plus one half of one third is one half.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Sure, but, what does that have to do with the AI answer? Wait.. Are you an AI?

I think thats an issue with AI, it has been so much trained on complex questions that now when you ask a simple one, it mistakes it for a complex one and answers it that way

[-] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 7 months ago

The issue is it's an LLM. It puts words in an order that's statistically plausible but has no reasoning power.

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

It's auto-complete. It knows that "4" is the most common substring to follow "2 + 2" in its training. It's not actually doing addition.

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[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago
[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 9 points 7 months ago

Ironically the one thing computers are normally good at.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

Now ask it if a Third-of-a-Pound burger is bigger than a Quarter Pounder

[-] quant@leminal.space 5 points 7 months ago

Did Google train Gemini on American dataset?

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

This is very clearly an example of bad AI, but maybe it was trying (and failing) to convey this?

Basically, 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 + 1/81 + ... + 1/3^n = 1/2.

Probably not. But maybe.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I’m thinking it’s trying to say:

(2/6) + (1/6) = (3/6) = (4/6) - (1/6)

But either in “colloquial English for those who want to give other people aneurysms” or “colloquial English for those trying to sound smarter but aren’t”

Basically that the degree of difference between a half and a third is the same degree of difference between a half and two thirds- and that degree of difference is “one part”.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 18 points 7 months ago

It's not trying to say either of them.

It's just guessing what word to say next, given the previous words in the context.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Definitely true, of course,

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Or ⅓ + (⅓*½) = ½

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 4 points 7 months ago

1/3 is 1/2 of 2/3

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 7 months ago

LLMs are really fucking bad at math. They're trying to find the statistical close answer, not doing computation. It's rather mind-numbingly dumb.

[-] kahnclusions@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately a shockingly large number of people don’t get this… including my old boss who was running an AI-based startup 💀

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 14 points 7 months ago

"42"

"The answer to life the universe and everything is 42!?"

"Yes, I checked it quite thoroughly."

...

"But what was the actual question?"


Alternatively, garbage in, garbage out.

[-] zlatko@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

considering where the garbage came from, maybe we should stop shitposting :)

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 months ago

That's like having google make a pizza with everything in my fridge then they complain that I also keep the dog's food in there.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 10 points 7 months ago

Maybe the intent is to make people even dumber. It’s just misinformation all the way down.

[-] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't even be surprised at this point. It seems the system is intentionally designed to discourage critical thinking and apparently knowing how to do math properly is too close for comfort now.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Someone I know had an old friend on their Facebook timeline say that schools should be reformed and don’t need classes like algebra. Then they proceeded to list fields kids could receive training for instead… and all of them required math of some sort.

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh. I just noticed the extraneous word in the search, which might be throwing off the LLM trying to understand it.

[-] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I asked ChatGPT these questions and got sensible answers.

How much more is one half than one third?

[subtraction answer: 1/6 more]

That's one possibility, but what about the other way to interpret that question?

[ratio answer, but expressed as "1.5 times as much" rather than "1/2 more"]

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