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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I've voted blue for decades, just so I can say I did the right thing: harm reduction.

This nation's last, last, last chance to improve its course would have been to soundly reject the supply side, trickle down Reaganomics grift, but when they lied that YOU could be one of the rich ones one day, Americans giggled like schoolgirls and the former party of labor went full neoliberal to take the larger corporate bribes unions just couldn't match. That is when any hope for the US to become the benevolent nation it never was but claimed to want to be died.

Citizens United was just a victory lap for the capitalists to piss on its decomposing corpse.

Anyone who wants to claim this country was over a couple of Tuesdays ago, hasn't been paying attention.

And it wasn't the Neonazi scum that killed it either, they just see opportunity in the cultural vacuum and chaos. Twas unchecked capitalist greed that killed the beast.

[-] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

It has not collapsed yet. Democrats are electing a new chair RIGHT NOW (I don't know the date, but in the next few weeks).

They are going to elect a centrist. We can stop them. Now is the time.

If the new DNC is progressive and inspires people, it will prevent reluctant Republicans from going full scorched earth.

A progressive platform will win Democrats the white house for the next 20 years. Ask FDR how I know.

This, right now, is the final chance we have to prevent collapse.

Spread the word, share & cross post.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13487524

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Clearly most people don't consider forced labor slavery in a prison environment. At least not in California or any of the other states that allow it.

I voted against it because I think they are plenty of prisoners that want to work, so we don't need to be forcing people, but I also understand how people could just consider it a part of the punishment too. I mean, you take away so many rights of a person when you imprison them. What makes this facet special? Is it because we used the magic word slavery and so people suddenly feel guilty because of America's past?

The prisons themselves litreally didn't care enough to even argue against it, which should tell you how little this actually impacts their workforce. My understanding was that people were just getting upset at having to do wildfire related work when things started getting dangerous after they reaped all the rewards and training for that job.

It's like being a firefighter for the pay, chili, and comradery, then balking when you are told to go fight a fire. Your average person could do that and probably be fired on the spot. Prisoners don't get to make that decision.

[-] finderscult@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

You understand they weren't paid for that training or job, right?

You understand they weren't allowed to do that job when they were out of prison, right? Even as a volunteer they'd be disqualified. They received no benefits for risking their lives, but we're punished if they did not. They were not sentenced to death.

To your main point, slavery is bad in all contexts. Corporations shouldn't get to have slaves because they pay their workers so badly they turned to crime.

[-] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago

This was a result of election night that is underreported, but hugely telling and frustrating.

All this noise about California being liberal, progressive, and the resistance to Trump. But they kept slavery in prison legal. And I think the people who are predicting prison "labor" will be used to replace migrant labor if mass deportation does happen have it right. And California had a chance to make that impossible and decided not to.

[-] tio_bira@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago

This is why we need a "New California Republic", with rangers to protect the population, just don't listen those anti-mutties bigots...

[-] QuantumStorm@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Wasn't the ballot initiative also deliberately confusing? I remember seeing something about it and reading it myself and going "what the fuck is the answer for no slavery?"

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 5 points 19 hours ago

No, it wasn't. It had no argument against, no supporters against, and the text was extremely simple.

[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 8 points 18 hours ago

Yes/No Statement

A YES vote on this measure means: Involuntary servitude would not be allowed as punishment for crime. State prisons would not be allowed to discipline people in prison who refuse to work.

A NO vote on this measure means: Involuntary servitude would continue to be allowed as punishment for crime.

Although I can't seem to find if this text is on the ballot to explain it

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 12 hours ago

Yep that's what's on the ballot too. Very simple. I'd argue middle-school level or below.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 23 hours ago

They also still have the death penalty.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 day ago

The only thing that pissed me off more than Trump winning, was seeing how many good Props failed, and bad ones passed.

I'm glad we made LGBT marriage part of our constitution, but jesus christ the voting base here is NIMBYs, NeoLibs, and Conservatives.

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

My guess is that all those people who didn't show up to vote dem weren't around to vote for the other dem items.

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

There was a certain irony in ranked choice ballot initiatives failing while the same people that didn't show up complained about both candidates being "exactly the same" or to punish the Democratic party.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

Big time. Hurts to see it happen.

Maybe next life I will be free to vote how i want.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 20 points 1 day ago

And all because 1950s McCarthyism incepted America with a seed that may eventually destroy it long after the USSR’s dissolution

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I'd zoom out, Capitalism has a growth phase and decay phase, we are at the tail-end of the decay phase and need to jump to Socialism. Marx's analysis makes this more clear, I wrote an introductory Marxist reading list if you want to check it out.

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