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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 hours ago

reminder:

this election was lost on multiple fronts.

do not let articles like this, however truthful, and the inevitable spiteful comments underneath convince you that the next four years were caused by Arab-Americans.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

fine, fine, yes, it is multifactorial. Unity in opposing trump's ghouls is the most important, not infighting over losing.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 hours ago

thanks, and not trying to be combative here :) i just know how discourse molds and progresses and it’s just a few short steps from the comments and name calling i’m seeing here to “pro-Palestine caused trump”

when in reality biden/harris actively ignored the petitioning of multiple vital demographics including latino, young, and low-income voters—all of which played out very poorly. it speaks volumes that i haven’t seen a single post about these demographics yet and multiple about Arab-Americans.

just be careful yall! your neighbors need you

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

MLK was right about liberals. You lot are the biggest threat to justice.

Hmmm, let's inspect this sample.

Bland name calling, unimaginative reasoning, blind anger and content absolutely and WILDLY straying from the subject of the article.

You sure, may be a tankie

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

I’d rather be compared to a tankie, than a liberal. Of the two, the former is further away from a nazi.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Good luck getting justice with Matt Gaetz as attourney general and an imperial presidency intent on reversing everything the civil rights movement ever achieved.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago

Of course in the liberal worldview the only political action is voting and so now that voting is over you go after people who didn't vote or voted wrong and wait four more years until you can (hopefully) vote again.

Instead of retreating with your tail between your legs and waiting for another chance to vote join up with those that are taking direct action through protest and political pressure and fucking riots and strikes.

If more of you joined the anti-genocide voices instead of chanting "vote blue no matter who" your party wouldn't be the milquetoast status-quo-upholding pro-genocide garbage party it is today.

You can punch left or you can stand with the left and build up the power to punch back.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

No, but voting for the option that gives you the most leverage is the least you can do. If you can't even do that, what makes you think you can protect yourself from hostile institutions?

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago

Yes, we know both sides are evil. That’s the point MLK was making.

[-] masterbaexunn@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So not American, but I have a feeling MLK worried about a whole lot more about civil rights, racism and poverty rather than the so-called "liberal threat."

Nice try.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago

I was quoting him. He literally said moderates were the “greatest threat to justice”, and that they posed a challenge comparable to white supremacists.

Nice try.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Fine, enjoy watching "nothing change"

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 hours ago

I’ve been watching that for my whole life. Democrats had the chance to enshrine our civil rights into law. Instead they stood by and did nothing. Now women can’t get abortions.

That’s all you lot do. Nothing. You’ve never stood up for anything other than protecting the status quo. That’s why your candidate campaigned with republicans. That’s why she endorsed the genocide in Gaza and promised continued support for apartheid.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Enjoy, if you don't care what happens to you, I sure don't either. This is how totalitarians take over countries e.g. Germany, Iran, they separate the left from the liberals. Looks like it's working.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I’m a leftist. I’m armed. Nothing is gonna happen to me. Nothing is gonna happen to our trans and queer brothers and sisters, because we’ll be out there in the streets in black bloc, while you sit at home complaining about how we’re causing a ruckus.

You need to worry about your own neck.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

And there it is, you're probably an accelerationist and dream that after the system collapses you will emerge victorious. Don't forget to create a multi-party system in your new country.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes, there it is. Only one of us is hiding who they are. I’ve always been pretty open about the fact that inaction by democrats has radicalized me. You seem to think it’s some kind of gotcha for you, but it isn’t.

Democrats are the enemy of the working class, the same as republicans. You deserve what they’re going to try to do to you.

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

I lived in Detroit for a brief period and my observation was that the Arab population in Dearborn was comprised mainly of people born into multi-generational wealth. I know that's anecdotal but if my observations were accurate then we're talking about wealthy people who are disconnected from real life struggles who are voting for Trump. Not about immigrants who have seen and experienced hardships.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

20-20 hindsight is better than nothing I guess, unless you get it when you're looking up at the rapidly receding cliff.

Americans have taken WAY too long to figure out Trump is a con man playing them. Very special insight.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lots of great voter outreach in the comments here! Keep telling them they deserve to see the genocide of their people! If you alienate them enough, they'll definitely vote for you next time!

Edit: I wanted to thank everyone for all the great ideas for Muslim outreach in future elections! I can tell by the downvotes that not all of you liked what I had to say, but if I learned one thing from the Harris campaign, it's that you can't care what a community thinks of you, no matter how many votes it costs you!

[-] Halosheep@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago

Yes that's right! Be nice to the idiots who vote against their own interests because hurting their feefees is why this happened in the first place!

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Woah, infantilizing the population of a majority Muslim town for having their, "feefees," hurt, even though they're the ones most likely to personally know someone who is a victim of the violence in Gaza? That's the boldest outreach strategy yet!

[-] Halosheep@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Was I not clear enough the first time? I

If the logical conclusion that voting for, or not voting against, the obvious worse option for their situation didn't stop them, then I don't think calling them out on it is going to make much of a difference.

[-] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

I'm not sure anyone here works for the DNC. We're not trying to get ourselves elected. People are absolutely allowed to criticize others for the intended consequences of their actions when they get exactly what's expected. In this case, they've alienated themselves.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Yes, that's good! Let's pretend it's not our problem that they didn't vote for the Democrats, even though we clearly cared about the outcome of the election! And if we blame them for the alienation they feel, we never have to examine what the party could have done differently! It's brilliant!

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"It's my way of sticking it to The Man."

"Sir, you are The Man."

"That's right."

"So... aren't you sticking it to yourself?"

"... Maybe."

Is anyone still campaigning now that the election is over?

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Hey, it's never too early to start alienating voters for 2028!

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago

Put on your oxygen mask before trying to help others, that is the moral here.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, boil it down to trite moral lesson! That's perfect!

Wait, isn't that your move here in every one of the dozen+ comments you've left us?

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

What do you mean? I'm brainstorming for the next election!

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If your rights and safety at home are curtailed as a result of your vote in a vain attempt to punish Biden's apparent strategic powerlessness, what good was it, if on top of that you now get a ghoul over whom you have ~~zero~~ negative leverage?

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Focusing only on the outcomes of the actions, while not examining the circumstances that led to the actions? Yes! That will make sure this never happens again!

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Well, in these circumstances, your single-issue mindset helped reward bibi's war crimes with trump's carte blanche. Good job.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

That's a good point! Don't ask if people voted for Harris. Assume they didn't! It's important to attack anyone who might even just empathize with these voters, otherwise that empathy might lead then to question the DNC's decisions!

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The reality is both parties hate everybody but the corporate managerial class and want to kill everyone for infinite growth. The idea that voting is somehow an endorsement is idiocy.

You pick the party least enthusiastic about killing you or you're a moron. Bernie sanders is an anomoly. The democrats never once treated trump as an existential thing - they see the next election as an opportunity to finally capture the right as voters which is their only plan.

If the realization that democrats want us all dead upsets you, you don't understand how this oligarchy works. They still fear being out of power because it means disfavor of the oligarchs, but they would never attempt winning an election by disregarding the oligarchs.

So the choice isn't which one you endorse (as only a crazy person would endorse this system) its which one is gonna fuck you up the least.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Ooh, I like this one! Using cynicism to mask a, "lesser of two evils," argument, while still ignoring how emotionally devastating it would be to vote for someone who is materially supporting the slaughter of your people? This one could be the 2028 platform!

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

This is the literal lesser of two evils argument served on the rocks.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Nope. Uh uh. No sympathy from me. My give a damn is broken.

You had SO many red flags

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 48 points 12 hours ago

"All she had to do was stop the war in Lebanon and Gaza and she would receive everyone's votes here," Dearborn's Democratic mayor, Abdullah Hammoud, told the Associated Press.

Spot the mayor who has no idea what the job of Vice President actually is...

[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

Depending on what they mean by "stop the war" in gaza, if they mean the current hostilities (which, yeah it's what she probably meant) or end the conflict in its entirety, that could be the biggest God damn ask I've ever heard.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 3 points 7 hours ago

All it would take is threatening an arms embargo. Presidents have stopped Israel via a single phone call before, and they need our billions of dollars worth of bombs to continue. Don't act like we're powerless small beans here.

Worst case, they keep going but not on our dime and not with our support.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Particularly since the US is not one of the parties at war.

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