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Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States, an extraordinary comeback for a former president who refused to accept defeat four years ago, sparked a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was convicted of felony charges and survived two assassination attempts.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 month ago

Democrats will learn nothing from this.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 month ago

Id go so far as to say they're paid good money to explicitly not learn from this.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Democrats are learning in real time what the real function of a controlled opposition party is in a capitalist dictatorship.

As if that wasn't already known.

[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago

β€œIt is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

"We didn't go far enough right to win over MAGAs hearts and minds."

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 13 points 1 month ago

Well I guess the good news is that it no longer matters if they learn anything? These election results make it clear that going forward they'll have about as much effect on lawmaking as a dead hamster. It's even possible that, except for serving as a convenient cardboard bogeyman, they'll otherwise cease to exist at all.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

"Are we out of touch? No, it's the voters who are wrong."

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago

Kamala must be so stoked to see so many republicans in the cabinet.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 20 points 1 month ago

I feel like people are just rolling over and taking it? He shouldn't even be eligible because of the 14th Amendment "no insurrection" thing.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago

Democrats vocally came out against getting him off the ballot for his crimes alleging 'you can only beat him at the ballot box', but it turns out they can't.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Wait, what? I can't say I'm surprised, but I never heard about this.

[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The SCOTUS struck down states removing him from the ballot box.

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[-] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 month ago

Well, crap.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

On the plus side maybe we will start hearing about the horrors at the US Border that magically stopped in november 2020.

[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Isn't USA culture very big about "never give up"?

[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Eh, at this point a majority of the voting block voted for fascism. I'm about ready to just call it, go home and not participate anymore.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I understand your feelings but would urge you tor reconsider. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Only if you're white. If not, do as your told or you may be assaulted, imprisoned, or shot dead. Sometimes you'll do what your told and those things will still happen.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 2 points 1 month ago

And if you do make it, like the people of Tulsa did, then the racists will bomb your city.

[-] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

No. Fuck no. Absolutely not.

[-] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago

The leopard ate my face are going to hit so hard all those non white and rich trump fan in the next years

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.

-Vladimir Lenin

There is hope! It isn't easy, it isn't fun, but if we can know our circumstances, we can know our way out of them, and if we know our way out, we can get out.

  1. Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.

  2. Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you'd like, but this is a good starting point.

  3. Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.

  4. Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.

  5. Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.

  6. Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 7 points 1 month ago

Ah, well! Nevertheless,

The best news in the last three years! :)

I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.

[-] officermike@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a monkey paw wish. His "ending the war in Ukraine" almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.

Yeah, that's a monkey paw wish. His "ending the war in Ukraine" almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.

Even if you are right (I don't think so), so what?

How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?

Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago

I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don't accept bullies demands. Period.

I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don't accept bullies demands. Period.

Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don't make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

Make them die? They can surrender themselves right? As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.

[-] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Make them die?

Yes, exactly.

They can surrender themselves right?

How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.

As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.

Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky's regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about "helping people fight against oppressive regimes" you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.

I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft. Countries do it In times of war.

Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter. Trump will stop support and they will becomes west Russia and I'm sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere but this time not for thier country. USSR was soo nice before. I'm sure they didn't treat Ukranians poorly before and certainly will not now that they put up a fight for years embarrassing russia.

No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.

Well, it just so happens that I care more about people, actual living humans, their lives, and not countries.

I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft.

I believe kidnapping people and sending them to die is kidnapping people and sending them to die.

Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter.

Well, that's true I guess. Like most/all of the "battles" in comments. I just don't think there is something more I can do to stop Zelensky terrorizing people, other than try to convince randos on the internet to stop supporting his regime :(

Trump will stop support

I sure hope so, this is the only (realistic) outcome where my family and friends and every other Ukrainian survive.

will becomes west Russia

I don't think so, that's just a scarecrow the west is using to continue the war.

I'm sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere

  1. Doesn't happen in Russia on an even remotely similar scale.
  2. People in Russia "under Putin's boot" can always leave the country (and of course go to the greatest country on Earth with the most benevolent leader - Ukraine). People in Ukraine are Zelensky's slaves.

I'm sure they didn't treat Ukranians poorly

Well, now Russia definitely does treat us better though. Those who are in the liberated cities are the lucky ones who can freely move around.

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[-] Strocker89@beehaw.org 13 points 1 month ago

I'm sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia and letting them murder Zelensky.

I'm sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia

Wouldn't happen, but even this is way better than giving it to Zelensky.

and letting them murder Zelensky.

No way. I mean that would be awesome of course, bringing justice to that murderer who killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, terrorizing the rest for three years and not letting people escape. But that would never happen, USA almost certainly gave Zelensky some guarantees that he will be able to escape to USA after this war ends.

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[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago

Perhaps if you're some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.

Perhaps if you're some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.

I am Ukrainian. I have no idea whether Slavic people are considered white or not, but I am quite sure I'd benefit from a literal war in my country ending.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 1 month ago

I'm certain you would! What makes you think that ending Russia's horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?

What makes you think that ending Russia's horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?

Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).

Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician's main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I'm choosing the second one)

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 4 points 1 month ago

You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself? Or did I miss something and america is sending aid to Russia?

You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself?

Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky's regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.

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[-] Clasm@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 month ago

Tyranny by majority...

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