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Volodymyr Zelenskyy urges allies to stop just ‘watching’ amid North Korea threat (www.theguardian.com)

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Ukrainian president calls on countries to step in before troops sent to Russia by Pyongyang reach battlefield

Ukraine’s president urged allies to stop “watching” and take steps before North Korean troops deployed in Russia reach the battlefield, while the army chief said his troops were facing “one of the most powerful offensives” by Moscow since the full-scale war began.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy raised the prospect of a pre-emptive Ukrainian strike on camps where the North Korean troops are being trained and said Kyiv knows their location. But he said Ukraine can’t do it without permission from allies to use western-made long-range weapons to hit targets deep inside Russia.

“But instead … America is watching, Britain is watching, Germany is watching. Everyone is just waiting for the North Korean military to start attacking Ukrainians as well,” Zelenskyy said in a post late on Friday on the Telegram messaging app.

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

It is highly unlikely North Korea will cross the Ukrainian border. Putin can let them do defense while Russians do the offense. As we have learned in the middle east, defending and enabling war criminals does not equate being complicit in their war. Don't ask me how that works.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 months ago

So having western troops in Ukraine should also be fine if they stop at the russian border right?

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

We don’t want that

[-] taipan@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Who's "we"? Sounds like a proportionate response to me.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wouldnt be presumptious enough to say we, but I would really prefer the war not escalate further. Im all in for ukraine, and definitely fuck east-ukraine, but I don't want American troops deployed in ukraine outside of advisory and training positions. I dont have great jusitifcations as to why, politics are hard, but I don't feel its the US' job to directly police the rest of the world, so Id prefer us to not directly combat other countries unless they've directly attacked us.

History certainly has a role to play here, which sucks because its always been my worst subject, but an eye for an eye seems to be at odds with peace which is obviously ideal. That is why I said my justifications arent great. It doesnt help that I do support foreign benevolent intervention, but not directly through force. And, as always, defining 'benevolent' in terms of an authoritarian regime engaging in foreign intervention of any kind is... difficult.

Edit: i forgot to mention: what we should be doing is allowing ukraine use of any non-warcrime western version of any weapon that east-ukraine is confirmed to use against them. We should also be quietly investing massive amounts of cyber resources into disabling russias nuclear launch systems and crippling putins stranglehold on their government by fucking with his finances specifically.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

As the phrase goes, Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you want peace, prepare for war).

Russia doesn't care that you want peace. They don't care how nice you are. They care if they're going to lose. Putin wants power, and if he is going to lose that power he'll stop this war. There are many ways to do this, but I'm not opposed to NATO troops helping out. If Russia brings in foreign troops, that's more than enough justification for NATO to get more directly involved too.

We won't have peace by asking nicely. We'll have peace by ensuring an end to the invasion. If Russia wins then they'll continue. Ukraine winning is the only outcome that can bring peace.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

The issue is that a direct war with russia would lead to the next world war guaranteed. It may not be nuclear, but it likely will. Even if it wasnt, an invasion of russia would be possibly the most difficult, drawn out, and costly war the US has ever faced.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

I don't think so. I believe Russia would say that, but I don't think that is accurate. China likely wouldn't back them up because they'd have nothing to gain. They'd rather try to gain influence over whoever takes over after Putin.

[-] taipan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree with you on preferring the US sending support to Ukraine in the form of equipment and strategic guidance instead of troops at this stage. European countries have a different balance of considerations due to their proximity to Russia, and I trust them to make the right choice on the level of support to provide.

[-] SoJB@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago

? I was told right here on Lemmy that the NK soldiers are functionally useless, tactically inept, slowing down the Russian troops, have never seen anything with a transistor before, and are supplying shells with 80% misfire rates?

[-] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 months ago

It could be true, I guess. It could be Western propaganda too. It doesn't take much to reason a country as underdeveloped and isolated as NK lacks an effective military.

However, maybe they don't need to be particularly good to further Russia's interests. NK army may be good enough as cannon fodder or purely for defence purposes, as border guards or patrols.

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Russia and Ukraine are two countries that have thrown everything they had at each other: from good soldiers, to inmates, to good people who'd probably never held a weapon before.

At this point I imagine that having troops who are alive and actual trained soldiers, not emotionally and physically drained (if not outright mutilated) by years of fighting is a big advantage

If I was taken from my home and suddenly sent to fight for my country, no matter how full of patriotic love I might be, one North Korean child with a knife would be enough to take me out.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

You were told this?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

? I was told right here on Lemmy that the NK soldiers are functionally useless, tactically inept, slowing down the Russian troops, have never seen anything with a transistor before, and are supplying shells with 80% misfire rates?

What part of "Let us stop the North Korean troops before they see the battlefield" contradicts that?

Or are you just looking to simp for fascists, as usual?

[-] skye@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

If they were so inept as it's said, Ukraine wouldn't perceive them as this big of a 'Help us ASAP stop them from reaching' threat.

And since when is recognising the military power of an army simping for fascism?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If they were so inept as it’s said, Ukraine wouldn’t perceive them as this big of a ‘Help us ASAP stop them from reaching’ threat.

10,000 warm bodies is 10,000 warm bodies. Or have you forgotten how Storm-Z units went?

And since when is recognising the military power of an army simping for fascism?

When it's oriented around dismissal of the flaws of a military because it's one of the commenter's favorite fascist regimes? MLs are pretty predictable.

[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Functionally useless just like the average Russian soldier, lacking equipment, food, training and likely suffering of medical complications. The thing is, in meat wave assaults it doesn't matter. In fact their cheapness is a quality of its own.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

It was supposed to be South Korean fake news to manufacture consent for invasion of NK

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ok Volodymyr Zeleneskyy, have you tried not being a neo-nazi and supporting terrorist states like Israel?

Please stop begging money from us. Your neo-nazi country doesn‘t belong to the EU or the NATO.

[-] hungryphrog 12 points 2 months ago

It's not the fault of other Ukrainians that Zelenskyi happens to be a zionist. They still deserve to get help against Russia.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

What a comment. A neo-nazi supporting Israel. Be serious man

[-] Faresh@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This man is more serious than you think. Israel is a place, "somewhere else" to put all the Jews, so that they're "not here". That sounds pretty great to a nazi, actually.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Zeleneskyy voiced support to Israel right after 7 October and has been completely silent about the whole thing since.

Sounds a lot like how a lot of Jewish people (and not only Jewish people) reacted to it and subsequent events afterwards - they first saw Israel as a victim and supported it but over time changed their minds seeing what Israel was doing using that attack as an excuse and possibly as additional information about Oct 7 that was not straight out of the Israeli Authprities emerged.

It certainly doesn't sound at all like a Zionist (for example Biden or most political leaders in Germany) have reacted: those have very vocally continued their "unwavering support" for Israel.

If Zeleneskyy morally supported the actions of Israel even once it became clear they had gone from self-defense to committing a Genocide, he would have kept voicing unwavering support for Israel, yet he has stopped talking about it altogether, and since Ukraine requires the support of the US and Germany, both countries were all main parties support the Israeli Neue Nazis and their Neue Holocaust, saying nothing at all is the smart balance he found between Morally being against the actions of Israel and doing what is best for Ukraine.

[-] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Woah, i didn't know that. I just lost all respect i had for that guy.

That is some serious cognitive dissonance on Zelenskyy's part. So let me get this straight, he thinks it's fine that Israeli murder and steal from innocent civilians and just annex land from another country because they think it should be Israel but disagrees when Russians do the same, is that right ? I would think a former humorist would have a firmer grasp of irony. Zelenskyy is a jackass.

Gotta separate the man from the post though. This is more Ukraine than Zelenskyy.

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Juche too stronk. 💪