Hey, we left cause of the enshitification of Reddit itself, toxicity of the users was always part of the package deal.
As a Reddit refugee myself,I can't disagree with that. But I will clarify that there's generally two kinds of Reddit Refugees, though:
The meme is largely referencing the latter.
I hope I'm in the first category. This place has less people but better engagement.
Yes exactly. When reddit pulled that api pricing shit, I just got up and left. I came here expecting shitposts, braindead "hot" takes, piss-poor reading comprehension, and americans acting like they're the only country in the world. I got exactly what I expected and I couldn't be more satisfied, 10/10 would nuke my reddit account again.
You'll find that anywhere. Not just on the Internet, either. Literally, everywhere.
High school never ends.
True, but Reddit had the right conditions for toxicity to grow and begin to run rampant. Lemmy, with its decentralized nature, should limit the spread of any toxic communities.
I dont think it will limmits it at all it will spread so u end uo wirh multiple communities for the same thibg with different flavours of toxicity. We already have that with world news ie the .ml flavour of toxicity vs the other instances with differing flavours
The .ml situation predates the whole reddit thing, no?
Correct
You should check out Facebook, Twitter, IRC, NextDoor, 4chan, 9gag, or any other Internet forum (including comment sections of news articles). Reddit does not hold exclusive rights to any “right conditions for toxicity to grow”.
Yea no. Try having a nuanced discussion on any (insert heated topic here) on Lemmy and watch the labels fly out faster than the ejaculate of a post pubescent 15 year old.
most of the toxicity I've experienced on lemmy has been from established users so idk.. but I should add that it's way less toxic than reddit so far
It's gotten pretty bad on the politics front lately. It's like an entirely different community now compared to last year
Overall it's less toxic than Reddit, as evidenced by how many people were lurkers there but here actually feel comfortable enough to open up and contribute.
I note that you are on Lemmy.World, which blocks some of the most well-known trolling instances. That indeeds helps a ton, though means that the experiences of someone who joined e.g. lemm.ee instead are going to be quite different.
It took me a couple months to fully leave years of bad reddit habits behind. I didn’t realize how deeply ingrained they’d become. The toxicity had gradually snuck up on me.
To preface this I’m a lurker myself. I wonder what bad habits it left behind in you? After the whole API and 3rd Party Apps fiasco I just left it behind. But I wouldn’t say that I took the toxicity over from it to Lemmy. Especially wondering what exactly is ingrained in your soul that’s left behind from it. As far I know I’m still the same but as I’ve told just mostly lurking so don’t think it had much as an influence on me except the doom scrolling.
Happens to the best of us.
It all started back in 1998, when the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell in a Cell, and plummeted 16 feet through an announcers table.
It’s worth noting that some users might be attracted to Lemmy due to its smaller, more niche communities and the sense of belonging that comes with being part of a smaller, specialized group. Others might be drawn to Lemmy’s technical aspects, such as its use of ActivityPub and its potential for customization and modification.
Some users might also be deterred from Lemmy, but please do not let this distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.
I haven't seen this shit in years. I used to browse reddit and that shit would always crack me up. This one time I was browsing at like 3AM and everyone was asleep. I laughed so hard I woke my little brother up. My dad came out of his room super pissed off. He just glared at me and walked straight out to the garage. When he came back he beat living shit out of me with a set jumper cables. Anyway, I stopped browsing reddit late at night after that.
Hopefully the absence of an algorithm pushing engagement at all costs will dispel some of it.
I think any real user from Reddit that isn’t a bot is an asset these days. I hate Reddit as much as the next person, but giving people shit for coming from there to here feels hypocritical.
I think both can be true tbh. I welcome everyone from reddit and encourage us to grow. I also will say leave toxicity at the door, or sub to other instances/communities that enjoy it.
A lot of users here are not Reddit refugees, they are Reddit rejects.
Are we growing though?
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats shows MAU (monthly active users) decreasing - we are now at 43k, last month was 45k, the month before 47k, etc. Total servers also decreasing - now 540, was 552, 579, etc. Overall posts and comments are slightly up though - so we're seeing increased activity from fewer users, rather than an increase in actual users. One could argue whether we're truly "decreasing" vs. merely flat, but either way I don't see us increasing.
And 3 of those users are myself, all active and only 2 of which I had a week ago, speaking to how alts are most definitely a thing. Also, federation issues especially staying in sync with Lemmy.World may be causing people to shift instances (or to leave entirely?). If so that would be a good thing bc 0.19.6 promises to help address that. (Although in my case, I wanted an instance that allows custom blocks of any instance I choose without needing to rely on an admin team, and that isn't dependent upon the Lemmy codebase.)
For one thing, people might be turning away due to the upcoming USA election, in which case depending on who survives that, they could return? But every person I've ever recommended to check out Lemmy has looked at me in disgust and actively chided me for having recommended it when they see some of the political extremism here. e.g.:
Whenever I go looking for examples of such I usually find it in 0-60 seconds, by going to Lemmy.ml and browsing by Local.
Your instance is doing wonderful work keeping such out - I wonder if that image will even render for you:-). But overall, across the wide Fediverse, people are not willing to put up with such, and seem to be leaving us overall rather than find some other way to deal with whatever it is that was bugging them.
And with such trends, and the way we treat normies, I don't see us ever going mainstream. Maybe PieFed and Sublinks, along with Mbin and ofc Tesseract on e.g. dubvee.org will help turn that around? That would be so nice?:-)
Btw what will we call ourselves then, if it does - will we still be "Lemmy"/Lemmings, or just general Fedizens? Either way there's great hope for the future, but also a lot of work to do to reach that point.
I wasn't really looking at the MAU stats when I made this; it just felt like it's been more actively lately (both good and bad). Unfortunate the numbers are actually trending downward.
For one thing, people might be turning away due to the upcoming USA election
Possibly. I've gone into self-imposed ~~social~~ media blackouts during election season many a time. Sometimes you just need a break.
Whenever I go looking for examples of such I usually find it in 0-60 seconds, by going to Lemmy.ml and browsing by Local ... people are not willing to put up with such, and seem to be leaving us
Yeah. I have felt for a while that ml being the official or at least de facto flagship instance is doing more harm than good. I'm not going to tell them how to run their instance, but I am sad and frustrated that it seems to turn so many people away under the impression the whole fediverse is like that.
I'm cool with Fedizens 😀.
Head over.to Hexbear and say you like south park or something. You're welcome.
I may be crazy, but even I'm not that stupid.
Lemmy is FAR more toxic than Reddit.
Maybe, but you have better tools to deal with it. Filter out words most politics and your experience will improve a lot. For me, it isn't a 100% filter because I still want to be exposed to that, but I want less of it. Tag anyone that looks like they're operating in bad faith. If you see the tag again and they're still shitty, just block them. Block whole communities if you want or even entire instances. You're in control of what you see here.
My Lemmy experience has been perfectly cromulent since I started blocking and filtering.
It's easy to forget how bad it can get.
One day I wandered into /r/kotakuinaction over some linked comment on the Tomb Raider animation, and the Fallout TV series, and... yeah. I remembered.
And that's a pretty mild example.
I ended up getting permabanned from reddit for saying that Lebanese people don't blame all their problems on Israel, just the the problems they do deserve blame for.
People will be toxic no matter what. I don't think making prospective new users feel unwelcome is a good idea when we'd like to see some growth.
Uh yeah welcome, could you leave that baggage outside tho? kthx
tfw somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep
Yeah, it takes a while to deprogram :(
Just the other day I had to block this idiot from harassing me, claiming I was faking ignorance about Trump's stance on Israel so I could "bait Americans into a discussion", for some reason. I'm European, I don't follow presidential candidate policies very closely at all. This tool was also European, and Palestinian. I don't know why they were insisting so hard I would do this inexplicably weird thing, but maybe their emotions were running high. I'm against genocide btw, of course. ✊
Please forgive them. Many people in the USA are going to literally die depending on what happens in the next month, so yes emotions are running quite high right now. You stepped into a VERY active minefield there:-).
Oh, but definitely block them - I mean forgive as in don't let it weight you down, but absolutely cut that noise out of your life.:-)
tf you talking about, lemmy is 10 times the shithole reddit ever was
Strongly disagree, but maybe it depends on which communities one frequents.
1. Be civil
No trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour
2. No politics
This is non-politics community. For political memes please go to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
3. No recent reposts
Check for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month
4. No bots
No bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins
5. No Spam/Ads
No advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live.
