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[-] superkret@feddit.org 74 points 1 month ago

C) keep the planet we have habitable

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 1 month ago

our planet could easily be wiped by a number of things. if we dont plan for a planetary catastrophe out of our control, our species is doomed.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

a planetary catastrophe out of our control

You're still describing climate change. Science fiction ideas are fun to think about but our own inability to live harmoniously with nature is going to kill us off before any of those problems become relevant.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 1 month ago

youre still not thinking astronomically. you need to think bigger. i like to at least pretend out technology advances.

[-] variants@possumpat.io 6 points 1 month ago

I was kind of surprised that comet that's been visible at night was only discovered like a year ago. Crazy to think that would be the warning time of anything coming to hit us

[-] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

our planet could easily be wiped by a number of things.

Most likely by us, while we waste our limited resources on useless things like spaceships

if we dont plan for a planetary catastrophe out of our control, our species is doomed.

Oh no, how will the universe ever recover from this tragedy?

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

If Mars became one "arm" of the human race Earth would still be the heart. Your heart fails and all your limbs are fucked.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago

huh? why do people have this innate ability to underestimate what we might be capable of? why do you think its impossible for us to become masters of our own genome?

not getting off this rock means our species is doomed regardless of how 'perfect' we keep earth.

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

why do people have this innate ability to underestimate what we might be capable of?

Because we can see what we're currently capable of in terms of climate change, and the outlook is pretty bleak

why do you think its impossible for us to become masters of our own genome?

Because even in the best case scenario, this is dangerously close to eugenics

not getting off this rock means our species is doomed regardless of how ‘perfect’ we keep earth.

If we can't keep earth livable, an entire self-regulating planet that's been livable for hundreds of millions or billions of years, what are our chances of keeping anywhere else livable?

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[-] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 24 points 1 month ago

If we can't manage to keep Earth's ecosystem thriving to support us, we certainly won't be able to create a new self-sustaining ecosystem elsewhere. And without that, there's no chance of any non-Earth settlement being able to sustain a healthy human society and culture long-term.

Without some serious (currently impossible) terraforming, Mars colonies are limited to deep caves or heavily shielded buildings, no outside to relax, nowhere else to go. Have a look at the list of crimes in Antarctica, a similar situation where people are stuck together, that's not a good environment for mental health, and it will be worse farther away. A Mars colony (edit: or space station) owned by a private company will be a corporate prison, the inhabitants are 100% dependent on that company - who would voluntarily put their lives into the hands of the whims of some narcissistic hoarder with no empathy or regard for workers?

[-] KevinFromSpace@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

If we can’t manage to keep Earth’s ecosystem thriving to support us, we certainly won’t be able to create a new self-sustaining ecosystem elsewhere. And without that, there’s no chance of any non-Earth settlement being able to sustain a healthy human society and culture long-term.

I'm unconvinced that pulling back from space programs will make Earth's ecosystem thrive.

A Mars colony (edit: or space station) owned by a private company will be a corporate prison, the inhabitants are 100% dependent on that company - who would voluntarily put their lives into the hands of the whims of some narcissistic hoarder with no empathy or regard for workers?

Agreed. That would be a super-weird concept, like a country owned by a private corporation.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 15 points 1 month ago

Men will do anything other than go to therapy.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Launch Billionaires into deep space without supplies

[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

D) Move manufacturing and other dirty processes off planet and live here.

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago
[-] scytale@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Tyrell Corporation.

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[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 month ago

If we can do B, A doesn't provide many benefits.

A 1km diameter, 30km cylinder would provide enough area to feed ~140k people. 95km^2 of space.

That is assuming no imported food etc, based on 7000m^2 per person which is almost 2 acres each.

140k people is a small city.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

140k people is about the amount of people living in a 1km radius around you, if you live in some inner city area.

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[-] Gabadabs 11 points 1 month ago

Why? Nice planet we've got here, we could focus on preventing it becoming inhabitable due to climate change instead.

[-] KevinFromSpace@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not convinced that suspending space programs would create solutions to climate change.

[-] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

Yes.

Seriously, we should be doing both as long term space habitats can serve as a way to reduce the cost of moving cargo around.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

We should be exploring both options, exploration can often lead to unexpected discoveries and technological advancement.

[-] mosscap@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago

How about we focus our efforts on unshittifying Earth first, eh?

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Space colonies. That way they can be dropped to earth to start colony independence wars.

[-] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Europa tea party!!!!!!!

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Why not both?

I'm guessing B will happen first, just because we have so much more control of the environment, but we're still so far away from either one... Maybe I'll get to see the early stages sometime in my life.

[-] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

Is this sub-populated mostly by Facebook people? Some of the answers really feel like it.

[-] airbussy@lemmy.one 9 points 1 month ago

All these answers are so killjoy and boring. Like yeah we should strive to make our own planet better, but why not also do this? Building habitats on other worlds doesn't prevent us from caring for this one.

Plus maybe trying to make a liveable environment in space can give us new insights in preserving the one at home. Like how solar panels have come from space exploration.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

A quote attributed to a few people, Heinlein and Pournelle for two, "If you can get your ship into orbit, you're halfway to anywhere." Both space and planets have shared and their separate problems to solve. In my head I prefer the image of most populations moving into habitats in space, customized to their preferences, with smaller settlements on various bodies for their own purposes. In my realistic view I don't see us getting that far before we get bogged down with all the problems we've created on this planet. The window to a permanent space civilization might have already shut. A sad thing, as a 70s kid I grew up convinced we were full speed into some version of what scifi had sold to me.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All of the above. But start with cleaning up this planet. Build better / more sustainable and more diverse communities and energy production. Build arcologies in the arctic, deserts, oceans. Those are good “practice” for building the same off planet.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Fix our own planet first

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago
[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

We should stay fucking put until we figure out how to end greed and racism once and for all

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

We aren't going to stop being prejudiced against each other until we meet other species to turn our prejudices outward.

[-] KevinFromSpace@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago
[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 5 points 1 month ago

Neither. There's plenty of room and resources here on Earth. I think it's fine to do space exploration and even have research bases on moons and other planets, but I just don't see the imperative for colonization.

[-] Raffster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

How to survive in space: Develop ways to survive in space only first. Once you manage that all the other problems are trivial compared and you don't have a single point of failure (aka our planet) anymore. Isn't that obvious?

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

I don’t think space habitats any significant distance from Earth will be possible. Mitigating the increased radiation will be tough enough just trying to get to Mars, much less trying to stay in space out that far. At least on Mars we can hang out in old lava tubes or something.

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[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

After reading A City on Mars by Kelly and Zach Weinersmith I think a O'Neill Cylinder spinning spaceship for artificial gravity type is more achievable than planarity colonisation.

But the main point of the book, and I am fairly convinced of the more I think about it, is that it is a lot of effort and risk for not a lot of gain and we are entirely unprepared for space colonisation.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Actually, both.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Until we are able to travel way faster than what we can do now, I think it’s more feasible to build in space. Lots of implications for long term effects on human bodies though. Most ideal is a wormhole to an identical planet to earth so humans won’t need to adapt.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 1 month ago

yes.

if we want to become a true space faring species resilient to all that the universe can throw at us we will need both

[-] muzzle@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Genetically modify ourselves so that we can live both in zero gravity (and maybe survive short exposure to vacuum) and on other planets.

[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Huge sci-fi lover here. But at the same time, colonization of space for humans is possibly impossible without avatars. The human body evolved here, and it's a vessel that works here the best. To colonize other worlds, it's more economically viable to send machines, create biologically synthesized new species (taking dna from local species there), and then transfer consciousness to them. Similar with Avatar, but without having to have the spaceships arrive in the planet full of humans. Humans remain on earth, and they project their consciousness somewhere else, in an instant due to entanglement.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Both! All three!

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