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submitted 5 months ago by merde@sh.itjust.works to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

The new law permits pedestrians to cross a roadway at any point, including outside of a crosswalk. It also allows for crossing against traffic signals and specifically states that doing so is no longer a violation of the city’s administrative code. But the new law also warns that pedestrians crossing outside of a crosswalk do not have the right of way and that they should yield to other traffic that has the right of way.

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[-] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 122 points 5 months ago

Insane it was ever made illegal.

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Eh, keeping car traffic smooth is way more challenging than keeping pedestrian traffic smooth. Also people tend to be more chaotic in there direction than cars. If a car stops in front of you you’re sorta stuck if a human stops in front of you you can always bash him in the head with a bar stool or go around or whatever.

I know it was auto manufacturers lobbying for the law but can you imagine people just randomly darting across an interstate moving at 80+ mph? I can because I have seen it before and not once have I thought wow I sure am glad that’s legal.

[-] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 5 months ago

I think you might have picked a bad community to share your sympathies for smooth car traffic, I’m afraid.

For what it’s worth, I think it’s reasonable enough to forbid pedestrians from crossing high-speed (60+ mph) roads, but otherwise they should have full right of way over any road, and fuck the cars. They can just be patient and deal with it.

[-] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

But what if those roads didn't have to exist at all. We could replace those with dedicated high speed rail corridors.

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[-] And009@reddthat.com 25 points 5 months ago

Can you imagine a car going 80+ mph in city traffic? I can't

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[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 71 points 5 months ago

"Jaywalking" being a crime is such a fundamentally brainrot thing

The law here in Brazil, not that anyone follows it, but it basically follows the logic of "the smaller you are, the more of a right of way you have". I.e. theoretically, a car should ALWAYS stop or slow itself to save a pedestrian or cyclist or even a motorcyclist

.... Again, not that anyone follows it, but it IS on the paper.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

the term used here is "vulnerable". Vulnerability gives you priority

[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

It would be nice if this was followed but the reality of the world is the opposite. It's right of weight, not right of way.

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[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 68 points 5 months ago

How does one "legalize" walking? Jaywalking is an absurd concept to begin with.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Step 2. bring cars to the market before proper regulations were a thing
Step 3. aggressively lobby and market that it's the walkers fault for getting driven over
Step 4. actually win over public opinion somehow

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[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Step 1: be American

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

There are plenty of places you're not allowed to walk for your own safety and the safety of others. It's not a crazy concept, although I do think that jaywalking should be legal

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago

Airports are so annoyingly difficult to walk around.

I prefer walking straight through, personally.

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[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 38 points 5 months ago

Good, especially since the law just targets POC.

If car traffic became 50% worse to make walking traffic 5% better, that's a win for humans in the city. It'll help convince more people to use non-car methods of transportation and that helps spark people to vote for and invest in more non-car infrastructure.

Ditching cars in populated cities isn't a magic law or anything, it's a slow incremental burn; legalizing pedestrians walking strictly helps that

[-] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Ditching cars should be done everywhere (not just in populated cities).

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 17 points 5 months ago

Agree, but it's certainly easier to do in NYC than rural places in the US, so I advocate for starting there

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 34 points 5 months ago

The cemetery is full of people who had the right of way.

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[-] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

This is great. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm okay with violence against people who think their convenience takes priority over the safety of others.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 5 points 5 months ago

the bricks all end up on one side of the cross walk. good idea, no way for it to actually work.

[-] Steve@communick.news 44 points 5 months ago

Regular enough bidirectional foot traffic would make it work.

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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 5 months ago
  1. It's a joke.

  2. Just throw them back after use.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 5 months ago

Yet somehow some city think it's a good idea to use the same exact idea but with a flag when crossing the street.

[-] StarlightDust 17 points 5 months ago

They were also fans of using it against left-wing protestors while ignoring the right doing it, particularly in the case of anti-genocide protests. I assume they will just find something new to pick people off in the crowd now.

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[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

… it was illegal? No one has received a ticket for jaywalking in nyc.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

No white people maybe.

[-] modus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Adam Ruins Everything had an episode about jaywalking and how it became a crime.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Are there ever any tickets for any sort of traffic violation of any sort in nyc?

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[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

While I certainly don't think it should be a crime, 90% of the time I see people do it, they are near crosswalks and continue to walk towards them after dangerously playing frogger. What is the motivation? Why are you increasing the danger? Doesn't make any sense.

[-] drosophila 17 points 5 months ago

In a lot of situations I would rather cross mid block than at a corner crosswalk. The cars can't be relied on to stop anyway, and mid-block there are a lot less directions you have to worry about.

Even if the intersection is signalized given the existence of right turns on red it's still often safer to cross mid block.

[-] murph@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago

That's a good point most places, but in NYC, there is no turn on red. I still agree with being able to cross anywhere.

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[-] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 16 points 5 months ago

Roads are the shackles of the patriarchy. Half joking

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 8 points 5 months ago

In Denmark it's illegal to cross the road 10-20m (or something like that, forgot the exact number) from a croasswalk. Outside that zone you can cross as much as you want. We are though seeing fences pop up on higher traffic roads to discourage crossing, but mostly on ring roads in bigger cities, not in the cities themselves.

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[-] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

Council member Mercedes Narcisse, a Brooklyn Democrat who sponsored the legislation, said on Tuesday that the new law ends racial disparities in enforcement, noting that more than 90% of the jaywalking tickets issued last year went to Black and Latino people.

Never heard of Walking While Black? This at least forces police to come up with better excuses.

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[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

restricting where and when people can walk in in a public space? sounds like communism

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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 5 months ago

IIRC, it’s still illegal in many Australian states.

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