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October 14, 2025... (lemmy.world)
submitted 9 months ago by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world

Its time to switch to Linux!

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 86 points 9 months ago

Windows 10? I'm on Linux Mint 22, which is more than double the number.

Checkmate Microsuck.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

MFW I revert to Windows 2000

😎

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I mean, it’s so old, it’s probably safer than 10 next year

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 86 points 9 months ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago

no longer receive security update

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

your base are belong to us

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[-] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 41 points 9 months ago

Linux can also be susceptible to attacks and breaches too.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

"no, wait, not like that!"

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bold of you to oppose the oppressive Linux lobby here on Lemmy. They are worse than the most militant vegans...

[-] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago

I really don't understand people's issue with vegans, even the really vocal ones. I'm not vegan, cheese is life, but I get that they are well meaning and ultimately are wanting to change the world for the better.

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[-] trouble@lemm.ee 32 points 9 months ago

Pretty sure w10 still receives updates

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

It's scheduled to stop receiving them October 14, 2025.

[-] Harvey656@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

1 year until my distro search is forced to come to an end and I must choose one.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

I have a crazy idea.

What if y'all get together, and make a guide on an easy way to switch to idk Arch, since Valve is working with it.

You know, so that they don't have to spend a lot of money, and don't have to worry about losing all their data, and hopefully so they don't have to learn everything about Linux so they can enjoy using it right away.

Ha, I almost believed that was realistic rereading it.

[-] foo@feddit.uk 23 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Us Linux users, as a collective, tend to shoot ourselves in the foot here because we can't decide on the "best" distro for beginners. If we all just said one thing, with confidence and without arguments, and without saying "it depends...", more would probably make the switch.

No major outlets that the average user would frequent are likely to sell laptops with any Linux distro pre installed. Many non-technical users wouldn't even reinstall Windows by themselves, let alone Linux.

Any of the usual starter distros would be a good choice because once they are in the ecosystem they can find their own path. When a non technical person asks how to get Linux, there is no worse answer than a barrage of information followed by more questions. Just pick one, say it confidently, and assist them to make it happen.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

People like choice, but people don't want to have to spend time choosing or learning.

That's why I mentioned Arch - because of the tie in with the Steam Deck. Nice and easy for gamers to make a connection to.

What becomes the difficult sell is that people, in general, don't understand computers. It's the bane of my existence. Any Linux distro requires a basic understanding of how computers work. The Windows PC and Apple products were successful because they required no learning and the user was relatively protect from messing anything up.

The Steam Deck was successful because it took that same approach. It just uses a variant of their Big Picture mode users are already used to.

Linux, by it's very nature, is not something that can be widely adopted by consumers. I think that's why Apple and Windows (hell, even Google with Android and Chrome OS) can get all the invasive technology to the user they want, and force users to adopt even more invasive things. Because people just won't learn anything else. And that's not something any of us can do anything about.

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[-] Ohbs@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

And which distro would you pick with confidence? (Legitimately asking, I don't know which one I'd pick)

[-] foo@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago

I intentionally didn't include it in my post because I didn't want the wave of differing opinions to distract from my point.

Personally, on balance, I would suggest Mint (Cinammon) for a new user, especially if it's an Internet stranger. Of course, I expect many, many replies disagreeing or explaining why I'm wrong and should pick ... something else.

There are loads of distros that are, or claim to be, friendly to new users. As with everything, all have advantages and disadvantages. My kids use Bazzite on their laptops because I can support them and deal with anything unexpected. I wouldn't recommend it to a random person because the installation isn't as friendly as others, and it's not as prevalent, so there is less support via search engines. The forums are quite active, and the community is friendly, but many folk would rather look for an existing answer than ask anything new. Then of course there's Ubuntu (with Snap et al), Pop!_OS, Elementary, Deepin etc etc. We could probably discuss the merits and detractors of each forever, just like currently happens in so many threads on Lemmy, Reddit and others.

So, why would I suggest Mint? Simply because it's not a wrong answer. It's easy to get, easy to install, has a great and welcoming community, and serves as a great place to introduce users to the ecosystem. After using it for a while, they can make their own, more informed choice of their next distro. There are plenty of other not wrong distros to choose from, but Mint is the one I would suggest.

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[-] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago

It's actually pretty easy with the guided installer currently shipping with arch, and there are actually numerous guides on how to install Arch.

Choosing not to is perfectly reasonable, but it's not for lack of effort from the Linux community trying to make things easier and more accessible.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 8 points 9 months ago

Absolutely not, even if we could all work together that would be a horrible idea. Linux is not a Windows replacement and the Linux community doesn't need to be overwhelmed with Windows users asking why a specific feature doesnt work exactly the same.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Then maybe "just use Linux" shouldn't be the top advice for literally every computer issue presented here.

[-] foo@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago

I agree. If people are drawn to Linux because they like the idea of it and accept they have a learning curve, that's great! But, moving to Linux through hatred or frustration with Windows will likely lead to even more frustration when Linux doesn't work the way they expected.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

They just fired two workers for organizing a protest against supporting Israel. You don't have to make up conspiracy theories to convince people that Microsoft: Bad.

Step 1: damage your customers

Step 2: ?

Step 3: profit

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

bully everyone into upgrading to Windows 11 so you can force data scraping in the guise of AI down their throats. nice game

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[-] shasta@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

Is this post from the future? Windows 10 still has support for another year.

[-] figjam@midwest.social 25 points 9 months ago
[-] shasta@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

In the title, not the image. So confusing

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

In the last month, I made a genuine effort to switch to Linux Mint, then Bazzite, as my daily driver. Mint could not run Hitman 3 for unexplained reasons. Bazzite frequently got graphical corruption issues when returning from sleep. Neither could run niche indie games and gave no error codes.

I knew I’d be doing some tweaking to get Linux working how I wanted, but it was missing configuration as well as being unreliable by default. I like the principle of using a non-MS OS, but I need it to work.

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah I've always been a very casual Linux enthusiast (key word is casual) since I was a teen. Setup and things "just working" out of the box have absolutely never been the case, even in 2024, and even though people like to say it does. In an ideal situation on an ideal computer with ideal hardware, you don't have to tweak anything. But for most people, there are going to be some annoying issues and tweaks you have to work through.

If a Linux system has already been set up and tested for the end user, then it is a great alternative. But in my experience, these systems absolutely never work perfectly out of the box and it takes some technical know how to get to that point. Ever since Windows 7, Windows has "just worked" out of the box... especially because it comes pre-loaded on your device.

I have been dealing with some issues with my Bluetooth module in Windows. I had eventually solved the problem, but the fix seemed to have reverted itself somewhat recently. Annoyed, I thought I'd finally commit to a switch to Linux on my daily driver since my laptop doesn't support Win 11. Well, I chose Linux Mint since it doesn't use Wayland which for some reason has poor compatibility with my common Logitech mouse. Everything had been fine but then I found instead of the Bluetooth module crashing like in Windows, which just makes me have to reset the module, the entire system crashes in Linux instead and requires me to reboot it. Frustrating to say the least.

And then, as you've brought up, gaming on Linux is just generally not a good experience unless you have all of your games on Steam.

Linux can be awesome but it's absolutely not for everyone...especially people with less technical knowledge (unless it is set up for them), people who want something to "just work" without any fiddling, or people who do a lot of gaming outside of Steam.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I was lazy and went with pop!_os. Required minimal tweaking, and so far there are very few games I couldn't run

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

They were got hacked?! Where is has the media been has in all this??!1!

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bullshit!

I've been using Windows 7 for years well after end of support and my computer never got hacked!

Oh yes it did

Windows 10 is coming up on 10 years old. Things can't live forever.

MS learned that from XP.

[-] foo@feddit.uk 14 points 9 months ago

I recall them saying Windows 10 would be a rolling release and it would be the last one you ever had to buy. Could be wrong though. I don't pay much attention because I haven't used it since Windows 7. I don't have a link to back this up, just my hazy memory.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 13 points 9 months ago

Its time to switch to Linux!

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

I mean, we have no laws about os support.

Imo a very common sense one is to make any software too old to maintain just open source.

Ownership in software should be based on who is willing and capable of maintaining it.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 12 points 9 months ago

Imagine a virus that installs linux on that date.

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah. Gotta find a distro soonish. My 3-4 year old laptop tried to update to W11 and has failed twice. Guess it doesn't meet the hardware reqs. (Thank you RNGesus)

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[-] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

were got hacked

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Every OS has a limited life span of support. Linux is no different. Every distro I'm aware of does 5 years or less of support vs Microsoft's 10 years.

[-] tequinhu@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I would disagree on the basis that Linux upgrades don't require hardware upgrades (unless you have a very low end hardware that's hanging by a thread already)

For example, I don't remember seeing all this fuss about upgrading when people were moving from 8.1 to 10 (but it could just be me on my bubble)

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 8 points 9 months ago

The difference is you now need a TPM 2.0 chip. That's pretty much it. Hardware requirements were the same as Win8.

If you are using a desktop computer, all you need to do is buy a $20-30 TPM 2.0 module and install it. It connects to a few pins and your done. It's cheap, simple, and easy to do.

The issue is most people now have laptops and quite a few didn't have that chip or that version (some have TPM 1.2, which isn't as secure anymore.) and you can't install it on a laptop motherboard. TPM 2.0 has been available since mid-2016, but some manufacturers might have cheapened out and not added it to save costs as it wasn't a necessary part. So basically, any laptop that is 9 years or older (or the manufacturer cheapened out) won't be able to upgrade to Win11.

[-] spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Hmmm. I've never seen a board with a TPM header.

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[-] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago
[-] WordBox@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Basically Hitler

^^(/s)

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

DHS is still no-go on Windows 11.

That date may get pushed back.

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