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[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While this is nice, I do not really see any places where one can now cross the street?
Some cut-outs for pedestrians would probably be helpful for people who need to access a building on the other side.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 72 points 1 week ago

Rue du Dr Paquelin was pedestrianized so crosswalks aren't really needed.

It's a very small street.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't mean crosswalks, I mean places where people can cut through the greenery to get to the "road".
As it stands now I don't see a way for people to actually get to the other side of the street.

Maybe they exist, but I don't see them in the picture..

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 21 points 1 week ago

Oh, I see what you mean. You're right, if there's a path through the bushes it's not obvious.

[-] SkyeStarfall 15 points 1 week ago

I think you see the start of a path halfway down the road on both sides

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You mean like access front doors of buildings? It looks like they block everything.

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[-] mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Maybe they should have just treed the middle of the road and left the outside free for movement?

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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah. I'd do more little islands instead, which would also give space for other stuff, like benches or other seating areas, bike racks, etc.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Move the road over to one side, and give double space for greenery on the other side.
Then you can add benches, playgrounds, etc.

Still.. As it currently stands it is an improvement over what came before

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Definitely agreed. Strictly better than cars, but there has to be something we're missing here, else this is a huuuge pain in the ass for literally no reason.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

I keep seeing photos of urban renovation in countries other than my own and marveling at the fact that even the "before" photo looks better than most streets in my city.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Over 20 years ago I moved from my native Portugal to The Netherlands.

Then over time I've moved backwards in this - in the sense of moving to countries with progressivelly worse urban planning and increasing pro-vehicle mindsets - first to Britain, then back to Portugal.

It's pretty infuriating when you actually know first hand how it feels to live in a place that doesn't put cars uber alles and are now living in one where its painfully obvious in everything from urban planning to how drivers tend to break mostly the rules that are there to protect pedestrians, that you're in a society which at least in this has a mindset from 40 years ago.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

You don't even need to go live somewhere else; just visit.

I'm from Canada and went back to visit Germany and Belgium a few months ago. I already went to Germany and the Netherlands a few years ago and just used the trains. I had no fixed itinerary and was deciding where to go a day in advance before buying a train ticket to go there. It was obviously fine (most of the time) but because of how trains "work" here, I was anxious about buying tickets a day in advance, thinking it was "last minute".

Then while I was in Belgium I had to plan a train ride in Canada a week later, and there was no affordable tickets left. I was sitting in Liège, and just bought a train ticket to Bruxelles that was departing in the next hour... while trying to book a train a week in advance in Canada, and failing to do so.

Every time I have to use a train in Canada, or just any kind or intercity service, even a coach, I'm painfully reminded of how bad it is here.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago

This is Haussmannien architecture, it looks pretty and unfiform because the prefect of Napoleon III in the 19th century got the permission to destroy most of the shitty medieval districts with poor people inside and build good looking housing with modern accomodations for rich people instead. That's largely why Paris is pretty today.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 25 points 1 week ago

I wanna punch the voice that says "but won't the homeless sleep in the bushes?"

[-] moonbunny@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

This looks great, but I feel like the trees might become a problem to the adjacent buildings when they mature, unless they’re the type of trees that only grow tall and skinny?

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I have similar trees in front of my apartment building and I love them, they make me feel like I'm living in a tree house in the summer.

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not every tree essence grows as much as oak. I know some linden trees, older than I am, that were pruned properly one or twice a year and have kept a manageable size. I think hackberry tree don't get much thick with time and there essences of tree that are chosen to be put in the street because they don't grow that much in European climate.

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

It took two years to do the transformation. Do you think it'll be difficult to do another transformation when the time comes?

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 13 points 1 week ago

Nobody wants to cut down trees once they've grown.

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago

Dude, there are whole industries based on cutting down trees once they have grown.

What are you smoking? ... can I have some?

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Cities don't want to pay for that. No one is backing logging equipment down a Paris side street.

But yeah, it's not an issue. I'm sure people planted trees knowing they get bigger. Lemmings just like to point to obvious issues as if no one thought about them.

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[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You should get a prescription, it will do wonders to your humour.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago

Street trees are trimmed regularly in France when it's needed. People enjoy to see the green and the added privacy when it reaches their windows.

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Letting cars into cities was a mistake from the beginning. Cars should be required to park on parking lots or garages at the edge of the city. The only large motorized vehicles allowed within cities should be trains, buses driven by professional drivers, and delivery vehicles limited by governors to the speed of a bicycle. The only forms of motorized personal transit allowed should be e-bikes and scooters that can travel no faster than a human-powered bicycle is capable of traveling. Cars should be used only for getting between towns and cities, not for traveling within them.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago

How does one get off the sidewalk?

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

In the usual way trot trot

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

Between the bushes. How would one get off the sidewalk with the cars parked in the way?

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Between the cars, they don't fill the whole length off the street. Do you see a gap between those bushes?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

In the bottom photo I kept scanning for Will Smith and his german shepherd

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He couldn’t be in the photo because he was too busy taking his underaged son to P Diddy’s sex parties.

[-] rauls4@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Honestly? Looks like shit.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

By what measure? You don't like green?

[-] rauls4@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Its unkempt and chaotic. At first glance I thought it was an abandoned street that was overtaken by wild overgrowth.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's made to look like that on purpose, but it's kept. It's the counter reaction to the biodiversity disaster of loan monoculture style like you often see in USA suburbs. I actually enjoy the feeling of wilderness.

[-] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

I agree. The 2022 pic looks like shite.

[-] humblebun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

While it looks nicer, the rent has doubled here

[-] cramola@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

Rent has doubled everywhere in the past few years. Real estate industry is to blame

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[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

So: keep cities horrible so that the rent stays low. Got it.

[-] humblebun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Also tourists will stay away

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[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I think your statment here is actual in reverse of what you may want to point out.

An increase in rent shows a induced demand for the property. More people are wanting to live in this location, thus the rents have gone up because of this demand. The rent did not go up because of the cost of installing those trees, but because the trees are there.

Similarly homes located near public parks, schools, hospitals, or transit may have a higher price tag because more people want said properties.

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[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago

The rent would have doubled anyway. Paris is Paris.

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[-] sam@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

This genuinely made my day

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