I also volunteer to be Rachel’s trip buddy

How many people who drink alcohol can say that?

Thank you. When I was in my college days, I used to get bursts of horrible anxiety while tripping — wondering what the hell I would do if someone called me with an emergency. I got over that by realizing how many times I had been way too drunk, and would have been in the exact same predicament if someone called me with an emergency.

It helped me put a lot of perspective into it and not only stopped that anxious thought while tripping, but also created an awareness that helped me to enjoy (conscious-altering) recreations more safely

Legitimately I question that this is even newsworthy.

But, I also do agree that the stigma attached to drug use, even when done so responsibly, is in fact ridiculous and stupid in general

I thought you answered your own question. This article helps remove the taboo.

Unfortunately some people have no idea women like this actually exist and need to be told that drug use is a part of normal suburban life. Though to be honest I am kind of against the idolisation of suburbs, they are really inefficient, but I digress. Articles like this help break down the stigma around this kind of drug. A stigma that makes little sense as well given their safety profile and effectiveness in treating some illnesses like treatment resistant depression, anxiety, and PTSD.

I don't particularly commend the women, nor the news outlet, for coming out about this though; it is still very much technically illegal by current law. But, I also do agree that the stigma attached to drug use, even when done so responsibly, is in fact ridiculous and stupid in general. However, I don't see a better way of achieving what that does...so I couldn't suggest any better alternatives and I don't support going back to a previous era in Law where drugs that factually are provably dangerous, for some reason, are not regulated. Reasonable and Sensible Regulations on dangerous Drugs are REQUIRED; it's just that some people have a different definition of 'Reasonable and Sensible' which has to be ironed into a proper consensus for society.

We should start with the most dangerous drug in our society: alcohol.

Oh wait the Americans tried that and it actually made things worse. Shocking.

Drug prohibition doesn't and has never worked. We also know neither voters nor politicians understand nor follow scientific consensus on drugs. Not popular consensus. Scientific consensus. Very different things unfortunately.

Look up any ranking of drug harms published by scientists. You might honestly be shocked. Things that people consider safe like alcohol normally end up being ranked much higher than other things commonly thought of as dangerous like nicotine or amphetamines. As much as smoking is bad there is way too much focus on it compared to alcohol and some other stuff. I know there are even some people that think of cocaine as being relatively normal and safe because of its overall popularity, yet if you actually look into it it's not healthy at all.

Not my mom. She told me she never did anything like that.

lol reminds me as a kid. We’d always say. It’s hot as balls. One time someone asked me what that meant and I just kinda looked at em. Like well it’s hot. As. Yeah balls…? 😆

Your brother may need to hear what Alan Watts had to say about this:

If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen.

If only people spent any time actually investigating what was said and not defaulting to pearl clutching because of the propaganda they've been fed, we could live in a much better world.

We know people can use alcohol responsibly. And alcohol is the most debilitating, aggression causing and all around harmful substance. In some data, it loses out to hard core opiates, but in most aspects, alcohol is genuinely more risky.

Serotonergic substances, such as MDMA and mushrooms are less harmful than cannabis.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drug

Serotonergic substances have been shown to have extremely positive effect for mental health when used in a responsible and reasonable way, such as doing them once a month with good preparation. Usually most people trip perhaps once or a couple of times a year, but once a month isn't "too much". If it was weekly, then that would be a bit excessive. But remember that with drug abuse issues in terms of other substances, like alcohol, tobacco, meth, opiates, your would have to do them daily.

It's rather impossible to binge shrooms, lsd or ecstasy. They just stop working so fast. If alcohol built tolerance at the same speed, after a few drinks, you'd need double to feel the same, and after a sixpack, you'd hardly feel anything unless you started drinking straight up booze and even that wouldn't get you drunk.

As in, you could want to binge shrooms or lsd or mdma once you start, but even if you shove your face into it, 24 hours later you're just not going to be high. You might be rather confused if you've just stayed up binging, as it will have an effect, but it'll be more sleep deprivation at that point.

I wish I could relay all my experience and knowledge on the subject. I'm absolutely convinced you would agree. But I know how much of the drug war propaganda stands between that understanding and arguing against it. Took me years to accept we need to legalise all drugs after realising we have to legalise cannabis. And that was like 20 years ago. It's not to increase use. It's to prevent abuse and take the trade away from criminals. (Taxing the global drug trade would easily cover ending world hunger, for one.)

Here's a great organisation to have a peek at.

https://maps.org/

Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.

Founded in 1986, MAPS is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit research and educational organization that develops medical, legal, and cultural contexts for people to benefit from the careful uses of psychedelics and marijuana. MAPS previously sponsored the most advanced psychedelic-assisted therapy research in the world and continues to support psychedelic and marijuana research with a focus on the people and places most impacted by trauma.

Hope that answers some of your questions, although, I expect a lot of the viewpoints I have are straight up unacceptable to you for some reason or another.

Why the pearl clutching over a child in the house? The person even goes as far as arranging possible cover from the in-laws. Even if they didn't, it is a child and not a ticking time bomb. Obvious idiots getting blind drunk or tripping balls into the next dimension aside, an experienced tripper in a safe environment (ie their home) would be able to handle themselves fine.

Why are "some" people applauding this?

Lots of reasons. First and foremost mushrooms are pretty damn safe compared to doing cocaine, heroin, etc. Let's face it, people are going to do something. Don't play it is unnatural either when even animals in nature seek mind altering substances

They are not without risk though as some people with latent schizophrenia can be triggered. I would never suggest doing psychedelics unless you have done them before. Yes, I realize that is a paradox.

How can it be a positive thing?

It is a positive thing if they think it is. That is the whole point and if you don't think it is positive then don't do it. If you read the article it has candid statements from people who do it. That is the answer you are not looking for.

I am not sure I get what you are saying about getting drunk around children. I guess you have to be clearer. Is it okay to have just one drink with a child. What about two or three over the course of hours. What about getting blackout drunk. There is obviously a line somewhere there.

Also it is important to note that many of the mushroom infused products being sold are not even illegal. You can buy them at the store. Your whole point about stigma kind of goes out the window considering this.

Frankly, if you want to be critical this feels of marketing under the guise of a human interest story. If I sold mushroom infused products articles like this would definitely help my bottom line

Claiming you will be downvoted is really cringe btw. I don't typically down vote much but saying garbage like that sure does tempt me.

This was at the top when I opened the thread and I’m glad I read it. Anyone who downvotes you is doing it because you are contradicting their biases. Your comment gave me something to think about.

I think the reason everyone is applauding this is because liberals/left-leaning have read enough literature to confirm the dangers of alcohol and other strongly addictive substances. Newer research shows the positive effects of psychedelics but they’re yet unproven as categorically better than other prescription medications.

When lemmings (who are mostly very left leaning and decently educated) see people doing things that can show the positive effects of psychedelics, they applaud it without much critical thought.

Comments like yours not being downvoted to oblivion and then hidden are the reason that Lemmy is still decent. For now

The article says nothing about her husband partaking, so presumably there's another sober adult present and no risk.

Seems sortof like the husband is trip sitting at least some of the time

People get drunk with their kids at home all the time, not ideal but super common. Hallucinogens don’t make people catatonic or unable to interact. It’s just not that serious. I’m assuming the kids aren’t infants though. Infants need so much care so frequently that you have to be 100% on as much as possible. But I seriously doubt a nursing mother would do this (or at least trip and tell people about it)

Overall people need to lay off of parents unless they’re really harming their kids. I know people afraid to make their kids walk to school because the neighbors will call protective services. It’s ridiculous.

Assuming she doesn't take such a large dose that she can't deal with a knocked over candle.

Also, one partner can stay relatively sober to manage reality.

We trip regularly and I use to work in childcare. This does not sound negligent to me at all.

Mushrooms just aren't very disabling once you're familiar with them and measure doses. I've ran into and chatted with professional acquaintances while on mushrooms. It's fine.

It's done wonders for our relationship and mental health. I don't think it's for everyone, but it's been a huge boon to us.

Would you say the same of a parent that gets drunk at night?

I've done shrooms on many occasions, the experiences can be different based on setting. The most memorable was lying on my back in the mountains overnight with no light pollution watching as I seemed to move through stars/meteor shower while reflecting on my life, where I've been, where I'm going. I would do them again, to take a moment of deep introspection, though I think monthly is a bit much.

I’ve done lsd a few times and would again. It challenged me in ways that were fun at times and important at others