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Trump's falsehoods — and what Democrats say is the threat he poses to democracy — have even some Democrats questioning whether their party should accept a loss in the Nov. 5 election.

While 19% of Republicans say Trump should reject the election results if he loses, 12% of Democrats say Kamala Harris should do the same if she loses.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 110 points 1 month ago

Honestly? Lower than I'd think.

I thought the proportion of Republicans who don't give a shit about democracy and just want their dude to win was higher.

[-] DBT@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That number will skyrocket if he loses.

You have to wonder how accurate a survey like this is on a question like that.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago

I bet there are a bunch who won’t admit it but want it.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

A lot of them simply won't believe he actually lost, so he wouldn't be overturning anything, but correcting.

[-] EldritchFeminity 52 points 1 month ago

This just in: 1 in 5 Republicans are openly sedititious traitors.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

The other 4 are hiding it.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Whereas only 1 in 8 Democrats are openly sedititious traitors.

[-] EldritchFeminity 5 points 1 month ago

Clearly. They are the same picture, after all.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago

12% of Democrats say Kamala Harris should do the same if she loses.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no matter what happens, Donald J. Trump should not be allowed to take power and should be prevented from doing so by any means necessary. If he somehow wins this election, his sentencing for the 34 felony charges needs to immediately decided before January 6th before he has a chance to quash it.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Speaking as a German who was attentive in history class, yes, as paradoxical as it sounds, the current government should fight tooth and nail ro remain in control and don't simply relinquish power to the Republicans should Trump win. Although that in itself would be undemocratic, it would also be the last resort to save democracy ironically.

The alternative will be a fascist government that will immediately start to dismantle democracy and persecute the opposition, a.k.a. "the enemy within". I personally would rather not see the superpower with the world's largest military turn into an autocracy.

And that's not even taking into account the effect it would have on climate change, which would become even worse instead of getting at least mitigated. (Democratic societies have no choice but to act as soon as public pressure becomes too high, which it will within the next years. Autocratic societies however can just double down on propaganda and oppression and carry on burning fossil fuels.)

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Surprised it’s not more than that.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is the portion that is fine with openly admitting that they support overthrowing democracy when they know he lost, not the much larger portion that is willing to believe lies about the election was stolen.

At least the 12% of Democrats have Trump actually trying to overthrow the last election as a reason to oppose him being in office again. He should be in jail for his 34 felonies right now.

Actually, if you read the original survery, it's not even 10% of Dems who would agree with that,

Only 9% agree.

Source: https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/#page-section-8

[-] swallowyourmind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I am as well.

Especially since when polled a majority of Republicans agree that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of the country", and their support ticks up even more when the quote is attributed to Trump.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

"Also two additional fifths. And then one more fifth."

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 7 points 1 month ago

The rest knows he will and are fine with it.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

It's nice to want things

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's it? The Insurrection Caucus was a higher percentage, wasn't it?

[-] III@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

More than 1 out of 5 will not accept that he lost and will want him to call the election invalid. The 1 in the given statistic counts those that are willing to openly state that voting doesn't matter.

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