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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

[-] forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Is there an easy way to buy this as an individual?

[-] JamesFire@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Lmao

Windows doesn't sell enterprise shit to normal people

This is why you gotta totally avoid sites like this one https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[-] toddestan@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Essentially, no. If you don't care about the cost, maybe with a MSDN subscription.

[-] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 28 points 15 hours ago

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[-] sue_me_please@awful.systems 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

  1. Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
  2. Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
  3. If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.
[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 25 points 15 hours ago

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

[-] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 8 points 14 hours ago

That's a fair point, other than I do need to work at home on occasion!

I'll have a good think about it.

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

You could switch to Linux at home and just have a windows VM in case you need to do something for work urgently.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

FWIW, Photoshop and Illustrator generally work very well through Wine, not sure about CAD so I can't comment on that.

In general though, yeah, if you have to use some super proprietary Windows-only software, you very well may be out of luck for Linux. In which case, yeah, you have to put up with Windows and jump through whatever hoops Microsoft wants you to jump through.

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[-] doctortran@lemm.ee 23 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 106 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 40 points 22 hours ago
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[-] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 28 points 19 hours ago

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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[-] nick@midwest.social 32 points 20 hours ago

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[-] Golfnbrew@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Serious question : My desktop is incompatible with Win11, I run Win10, and I use it for web browsing, Excel, and a little Word processing. Nothing else. Can't i just continue on as is? Not a gamer, not a heavy user...

[-] toddestan@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

You're not getting anymore security patches, but as long as you keep your browser up to date and generally be careful about what you download and run (as you should already be doing) you'll likely be just fine.

I'd estimate sometime around 2029 or so the major browsers as well as security software will start dropping support for Windows 10 and at that point you may need to start thinking about moving to something else if you haven't already done so.

[-] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 16 points 17 hours ago

The problem with that is that vulnerability will be found and used. Since it's connected to the internet it will be exposed to attackers and could be infected with botnet viruses/tools and used to attack other computer/services.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

you'll most likely be fine, there still exists people who use Windows 7 for that workflow. You have to be more aware of vulnerabilities that could be found on your operating system though; and over time more and more software might drop support for your OS (realistically, this will be more noticable when Windows 12-13 gets released) so you might not be able to use latest Office version's features.

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[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Look into Rufus, it will help you create a bootable USB with windows 11 and you can use it to do a upgrade or clean install from your windows 10 installation (clean install preferred IMO), it will even help bypass the hardware requirements and you can even remove the email account and use a local account. Make sure to use or write down your windows 10 activation/license for a clean install.

https://rufus.ie/en/

Guide: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-install-windows-11-the-way-you-want-and-bypass-microsofts-restrictions/

That being said you could potentially still run the old wondows OS, but as time goes on new exploits could be found that can compromise the OS. If its behind a firewall such as your router its safer, but there is still the possibility of it being infected way off into the future.

Here is a video of windows XP running on a PC connected directly to the internet with no firewall. Its infected almost instantaneously. (Dont try this at home).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSVVCmOH5w

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 18 hours ago

Use Mint and it will be less frustrating.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 20 hours ago

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 15 points 16 hours ago

For those use cases, there's very little actual learning to be done.

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[-] n3cr0@lemmy.world 40 points 23 hours ago

Thanks for this unqualified headline.

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