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[-] oce@jlai.lu 132 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago
[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 23 points 1 month ago

Like radically insidious man.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 11 points 1 month ago
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[-] doctortran@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think it's making a serious suggestion. It's using "learn Linux" as an ironic punchline, like "just move to Canada". It's a kind of backhand.

This guy has seemingly never written about Linux before. No other articles mention it that I can find, except one where he talks about Linux overtaking Apple in gaming, where he talks mostly about Apple.

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[-] n3cr0@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

Thanks for this unqualified headline.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

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[-] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 32 points 1 month ago

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

[-] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

That's a fair point, other than I do need to work at home on occasion!

I'll have a good think about it.

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[-] sue_me_please@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

  1. Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
  2. Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
  3. If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.
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[-] nick@midwest.social 35 points 1 month ago

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[-] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 month ago

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[-] ililiililiililiilili@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

For what its worth: I've been running enterprise since 2015 (when it was called LTSB) then switched to LTSC IoT around 2021. Its fantastic and doesn't have all the Candy Crush and other bullshit. I highly recommend.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 31 points 1 month ago

As a Linux user this and posts like this piss me off. Linux is NOT and WILL NEVER be a replacement for any other operating system (except maybe Minix). By implying Linux is the same or similar enough to Windows you bring in Windows users who except everything to be the same. Fundamentally thats not a good thing for anyone, Windows users get confused and maintainers are encouraged not to deviate from Windows even in ways that make the OS better (for example KDE not going all in on tiling to appease Windows users). In my option Linux shouldn't be recommended to anyone. Linux software maintainers should focus on the core Linux userbase and people who want their OS to look and function exactly like Windows/MacOS should just use Windows or MacOS.

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[-] doctortran@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

For those use cases, there's very little actual learning to be done.

[-] Pissman2020@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

As someone who understands windows fairly well, but until recently couldn't use the command line to save my life, I started dual booting Ubuntu and it's pretty easy to figure out once you understand what you're looking for. Only things I'm still trying to get running are alternatives for the stream deck software, iCUE, and voicemeeter, but I havem't really invested much time into them yet.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

Sometimes people get caught up trying to find exact matches for software, when instead it's a combination of tools that gets the job done on another OS. The annoying thing is learning new toolsets -- but it's only annoying until you know them.

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[-] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Until games fully support Linux or the other way around, I won't be using Linux.

Also can't really say that I care about Copilot that much. I don't use it and it doesn't bother me.

Edit: lol the people triggered by this will never not be entertaining.

It's always the same "Games work fine on Linux... But..". And it's that "but" that's usually a massive problem or nuisance to work with.

No thanks. I'll stick to Windows for gaming just fine.

[-] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

well it's gonna use you soon.

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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Most games work on linux with proton nowdays. Only thing that doesnt really work is games with anticheat.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Yeah I switched to Linux about a month ago now and so far every game I've tried has worked flawlessly.

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[-] moonlight@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago

I would say most anticheat works (although some games specifically choose to not allow Linux). It's just kernel level anticheat that flat out doesn't work (which is malware anyway)

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago

There's even some options, like Heroic and Junk Store, that allow you to install some anti-cheat.

[-] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

I recently switched (again... again again) I am on Linux (Nobara) for good now. All the games I play either work natively, through proton, or Lutris. The worst I have to do is use a different proton version or add in a launch option.

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[-] EveningPancakes@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

So I'm still using Windows on my desktop, but from my experience with Proton on Steam Deck, Proton works pretty flawlessly essentially translating the windows exe. I'm assuming it's the same for a Linux desktop setup but I'll let others who actually have experience here comment further. The only thing that you may have issues with are competitive online games, but those aren't really my jam but understandable if they are for you.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 1 month ago

Check your favorite games on this website that tells how well it runs on Steams on Linux, you may have surprises. https://www.protondb.com/

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[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Years ago I switched to Linux on my PC and everything was fine. But there was a game I wanted to play that didn't work on Linux, so I created a small Windows partition to dual boot. Later, that game became two, then three, and so on. I had to reformat some partitions to ntfs (iirc I was using reiserfs) to expand available storage for Windows to add more games. Then at one point I realized it's been a while since I've booted into Linux and I don't even know if it still works.

So yeah, use whatever fits your needs. I'll always pick Linux PC or Mac for work, but I'll stick with Windows for gaming.

For context, I've been on computers since the 8bit era and I've been programming for just as long. I prefer the power of a terminal over GUIs, my "IDE" of choice is vim. I use Git Bash in Windows for access to Linux-style commands. So yeah, I am technical and I prefer Linux for practical reasons. But when I want to play a game I want to just start it and play it, not work for days to maaaybe get it to mostly run fine except for some features.

Edit: one of the games I had to use Windows for was League. A competitive online game with anti-cheat features.

Edit2: note that this was many years ago and some other games I needed Windows for will now probably work on Linux effortlessly. At least one has native support for Linux now.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 month ago

the problem is so many office workplaces use windows and google, so unless you want to bring your own computer and buy a wifi hotspot to take to work, you're stuck on windows and google

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[-] SteelCorrelation@lemmy.one 20 points 1 month ago

I’m a government contractor, so I’m stuck on Windows and Microsoft products for work. It really sucks, but the government ain’t switching to Linux anytime soon… if ever. At least Windows 11 Enterprise (or Government, whatever) should have a lot of this shit stripped out. I hope.

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Usually at that scale you create images with all this crap removed. When deployment time comes, the machines are reimaged from local/state IT.

I feel bad for the average home user that, at this point views more ads than content, and all this telemetry collection to boot.

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

I made my move just recently. It was rocky, I ran into some issues and some of them were my fault.

I'm willing to put up with it currently not because Linux has gotten markedly better, but Windows has decided (yes, decided) to become significantly worse. Microsoft could have done nothing and I would have stayed a loyal, koolaid-drinking consumer of theirs.

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Real talk.

I have been around long enough to know that this conversation has happened ever since Windows 7.

And each time and every time an OS EOL I spend time investigating a couple of Linux distros to try that switch.

This time is no different. From Redhat to Debian to Ubuntu to popOS to Mint. Each one is significantly better than the last.

But even 2024, I'm having to spend time inside the terminal to make the OS act more like Windows.

Tailscale has no native app. Gotta install it in the terminal. I want to use my touch screen in the browser to swipe the back button. Nope, I spent 2 hours on forums and ChatGPT and had to install something in the terminal. I was not successful. My Nvidia video card is not working properly. I gave up after.

Why am I spending hours trying to make my experience like Windows when Windows is right there. Sure sure, privacy and advertising yada yada. Install Adguard and disable services that you don't agree with.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

I deal with this issue every few years grappling with a new linux install. And then gaslighted into thinking it's a non-issue when asking for help. "No big deal, just copy these long lines into the terminal to install this thing that would take a single click on Windows". Like being obstinant is a virtue

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[-] Golfnbrew@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Serious question : My desktop is incompatible with Win11, I run Win10, and I use it for web browsing, Excel, and a little Word processing. Nothing else. Can't i just continue on as is? Not a gamer, not a heavy user...

[-] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

The problem with that is that vulnerability will be found and used. Since it's connected to the internet it will be exposed to attackers and could be infected with botnet viruses/tools and used to attack other computer/services.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you'll most likely be fine, there still exists people who use Windows 7 for that workflow. You have to be more aware of vulnerabilities that could be found on your operating system though; and over time more and more software might drop support for your OS (realistically, this will be more noticable when Windows 12-13 gets released) so you might not be able to use latest Office version's features.

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Use Mint and it will be less frustrating.

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[-] burgeoning@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Dual-boot Linux Mint, and install Microsoft fonts from the package manager to make documents more cross compatible. Should be a fairly easy migration for your use case. It took me about a year of dual booting to completely switch over to Mint, but it was worthwhile.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Look into Rufus, it will help you create a bootable USB with windows 11 and you can use it to do a upgrade or clean install from your windows 10 installation (clean install preferred IMO), it will even help bypass the hardware requirements and you can even remove the email account and use a local account. Make sure to use or write down your windows 10 activation/license for a clean install.

https://rufus.ie/en/

Guide: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-install-windows-11-the-way-you-want-and-bypass-microsofts-restrictions/

That being said you could potentially still run the old wondows OS, but as time goes on new exploits could be found that can compromise the OS. If its behind a firewall such as your router its safer, but there is still the possibility of it being infected way off into the future.

Here is a video of windows XP running on a PC connected directly to the internet with no firewall. Its infected almost instantaneously. (Dont try this at home).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSVVCmOH5w

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[-] villainy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

When did PC Gamer start hijacking the back button to show more ads? Infuriating.

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