I was banned because I said that a meme wasn't Atheist but plain Islamophobia. No explanation given.
This is such a huge problem in atheism communities, which is why I don't spend any time in them despite being secular and non religious myself (yeah, I honestly don't even like using the term "atheist" anymore). Religious or not, you shouldn't be telling people what to believe or how to believe. That goes for hardline Christian nationalists just as much as it goes for hardline Atheists attacking anyone of faith. If it's not hurting anyone, let people believe what they believe.
The constant angry circlejerk abounds. Deadass I got way more atheist mileage out of the DankChristianMemes sub than any atheist sub on the old place.
Some fuckers are too euphoric to have fun it seems.
Thanks, Sam Harris.
I read "The Moral Landscape". 90% of it is pretty good, but he'll randomly drop "and that's why we need to be worried about Islamic takeover of western Europe" into something completely unrelated. He spends a lot more time complaining about Islamic fundamentalist than he does the Christian fundamentalist who actually have political power in the US (and to a lesser degree, western Europe). Then you get to a chapter that's all about religious influence on society, but it's all about relatively relaxed Christians who have Ph.Ds in some field and show up at scientific conferences.
You might expect a word somewhere about the fundamentalist Christians who control roughly half of Congress, but no. It's all Muslims and Christians who make it a more personal thing.
I agree with this sentiment, but Christianity is partly defined by "spreading the word of god". So "telling people what to believe" is par for the course (think missionaries).
Curious though, why do you not refer to yourself as atheist? Non-religious is actually not very specific. Non-religious can mean Agnostic Theist, Agnostic Atheist, or Atheist.
Religious or not, you shouldn’t be telling people what to believe or how to believe. That goes for hardline Christian nationalists just as much as it goes for hardline Atheists attacking anyone of faith. If it’s not hurting anyone, let people believe what they believe.
I would agree, but I've actually become sympathetic to the opposite viewpoint recently. It is hurting people. Look at the policy decisions in the US that are driven by religious fundamentalism. Heck, just think about the core premise that faith is stronger than reason. That's an inherently problematic and extremely exploitable viewpoint. I don't think something like religion can be counted as harmless by ignoring all the examples of harm that it causes. If a belief is only not dangerous when it agrees with other beliefs, and is dangerous when it disagrees, then that is a fundamentally dangerous belief all the time, which only becomes apparent sometimes. I think religion has a purpose, to give community to those who need it, but fundamentally it is not good.
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If God is reading this, I'm sorry, but I do hope I get points for trying to hold good beliefs from fundamentals. It's also a reasonable religious viewpoint that organized religion has been taken over by the literal Antichrist. You could say that I hold faith that good acts are judged accordingly regardless of religion.
...I would make a really weird Christian.
The mod clearly is not an atheist. What kind of atheist is afraid to demonize islam?
Without knowing the situation, in the world as it exists today, there’s a lot of racist people that use Muslim or anti-Muslim rhetoric to refer to or denigrate any person of roughly Middle Eastern descent. Think of how many stories there were of Sikhs that were assaulted physically or verbally after September 11.
A moderator or admin who is aware of this could easily still allow criticism of Islam, the religion, while taking actions against those who are just being racist assholes with a veneer of anti religion. I have seen this many times before.
It's a real shame that a lot of atheist communities online are just circle jerk condescending bs. There are some interesting discussions to be had but I guess we'll have to look elsewhere.
Deadass, it seems like atheist communities are full of these vibes
Like I was that kid once, but grow up please
Well maybe many of those communities are actually filled with 14 year olds
they absolutely are. Where else can a teen growing up in a religious family and forced to attend church/mosque/temples vent their frustration, and they are definitely going to be edgy about it, that's what being teen is about after all
If you don't let your inner 14 year old atheist out every once in a while what's the point?
Yes.
That is a real possibility and it's good (but hard) to keep it in mind when communicating online.
I can find a comment by you that got removed a year ago, but no ban.
Are you insinuating someone would LIE in a shitpost?
Where's the "lie", my guy??
I can no longer post in the community, and they found I once commented on a grandpa-tier 'me stand against the IS-LAMS' meme as a possible reason why.
Trust me, if i could shitpost in my people's meme community, I would!
Have you tried sprinkling a random reference to "sky fairy" in your post? Teenage atheists think they're clever every time they hit that one.
Fuck off, everyone knows it's the magic sky fairy, fake fan
I made fun of their very early reddit-type edgelord memes and they banned my ass too
Back on the old place I subbed to the religious meme subs of all the religions I did not beleive in, because they actually had fire memes, rather than the Atheist sub cringers.
Very cringe, very nice
Very based, very cool, thank you Kanye
I think I am banned from there too, don't even know why, I think I managed to find the log once and it something like "no idiots" I don't even remember posting there, I just remember it being annoying as fuck and being full of le fedora atheist circlejerk shit.
Maybe because you didn't have enough faith
Impossible. I watched the music video for Faith by Limp Bizkit every afternoon on TRL for like three months straight in 7th grade. I was up to my eyeballs in faith!
Orther! I got a plan! We just gotta HAVE FAITH
(/s) Probably bc it reminds people of the site-that-shall-not-be-named?
Unrelated to the post but is /c/communityname a valid link on some apps/platforms? Or is it just a carryover from the /r/ days.
Just a carryover. You reference communities here with an exclamation point. For instance:
!atheistmemes or !linux@lemmy.ml
No it's not "just" a carryover - it's a valid link actually, if you put it into the link portion of a URL, even without the http part.
Also, your first exclamation link does not work. Probably bc it lacks the ending part so like !atheistmemes@lemmy.world.
This is all explained much better than my words here: Guide | How should I link to a community?
!atheistmemes works for me, I think that might be a client thing, which is why including the @instnance is recommended, since it works for more of not all
Interesting. I did check that it was not merely my instance being different, bc even on Lemmy.world it still didn't work, though both of these from the webpage UI.
The link also does not work on Voyager for Android, which iirc is the most popular app.
So not working for these two approaches means that it's not a safe bet that it will work for most recipients, I believe.
On a related note, if you allow the webpage UI to finish the completion, then it will turn it into a link that will work, like !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world. But I don't know about all the variety of apps and how each one would handle it - Voyager for instance seems to do nothing at all with the exclamation point, at least while you are still composing the message.
!ligma
This will help: Guide | How should I link to a community?.
I assembled that link specifically for you on lemmy.world, but for anyone else on another instance who wants it, note that links to posts do not really work well since they take you off of your instance to go there, but you can either paste the link to the search bar to "translate" it into one that works on your instance, or in this case it's easier to just go to !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca and it's one of the posts near the top.
Hmmm. User claims to be atheist, has ~~god~~ in their name. I’m immediately suspicious.
Why do all the fedora guys look like Dollar Store Matthew Lillard?
M'lady.
Checked his post history, checks out certified athiest.
There's a philosophy called dialectics where opposites actually define one another. Atheism is a really good example of this IMO. Atheists usually define their beliefs as "no religion" but in practice they are anti-god, anti-religion. This means that even though religion has its own internal logic, being anti-religion has an opposite logic: what is good over here is bad over there. So it really ends up being that theism and atheism, through their contradictory traits, embody a single rational system.
But as many people have learned, through wrestling with these contradictions, we eventually reach a third stage where we just don't give a shit anymore, or maybe we develop some ways of grappling with metaphysical questions which religion is really good at but atheism basically just deny these problems even exist. I think that's why we often relate atheism as being childish, because a lot of people who are self aware and introspective will start out with a religious phase, then go through an atheist phase, and finally land in that secret third thing that is unique to the individual and their community.
I was recently reading a book about Hegel and early Marx, and the author Cyril Smith quoted one of Marx's letters saying something like, "atheists are like children trying to reassure a grownup that they don't believe in the bogeyman" do it seems like these "reddit atheists" have been on this same bullshit for at least the last 150 years
I don’t know, saying “I don’t have proof, I just believe” doesn’t seem like any sort of internal “logic” to me.
And while there are a lot of vocal people who are anti theists, most of us just look at believers like we would real people who are too afraid to say Voldemort’s name so he won’t come back because they can’t separate stories from reality.
There are metaphysical religions that explore that third state—a sort of mystical atheism that acknowledges spiritual feelings while rejecting a simplistic controller god. Thelema is a good example.
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