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[-] hemmes@lemmy.world 154 points 1 year ago

Tesla, founded by the billionaire CEO Elon Musk, has frequently faced scrutiny over safety issues.

That is incorrect

[-] Samvega 44 points 1 year ago

Is this the company where he paid a sum of money to the real founder or founders to be called the founder?
Or was that another company?

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 16 points 1 year ago

Correct on the first part, I don't know if he did it for other companies as well.

[-] Samvega 13 points 1 year ago

Thanks! So he's the $$$paidtobecalledafounderlikeastupididiot$$$ of this company.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

And it worked. That's the worst part. This article and others call him the founder.

[-] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 year ago

Hmmm I wonder if a vehicle filled with flammable explodey-gas who just drove over 2 metal signs at high speed would be on fire as well? Would it have gotten the attention that this vehicle had, given that ICE cars burn many times more often than EV's do.

It is a tragedy and should be investigated but these articles have to get off the "It's new so it's bad" bandwagon until the investigators come in. It could have been a flat tire at high speeds that sent the car onto that shoulder and over those signs. There is uneven wear on the tires so on the outside of Regenerative Breaking EV's tires look almost new on the outside but trashed on the inside. If it blew because of that, or some nail on the road then there is no fault on Tesla and the man-boy who runs it. If however say steering went or the airbag randomly went off when the car was at speed my least favourite Martian and Tesla would be culpable.

Until then turn the sensationalism on your stories down to 11.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a fan of EVs, but Tesla lacks ~~security~~ safety and I'm not a fan of it.

It's too complicated to leave the car when power is off for example.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

If I recall correctly, the manual override for the electric inner door handle is hidden under some panel. Major lawsuit material if you ask me, and irresponsible by the certifying authorities,

[-] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

You recall wrongly. It's totally exposed, available all the time. Lots of people who are new actually activate it instead of the button that lowers the window before opening.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And the passengers on the back seats?

That's Model 3 from the article.

And Cybertruck:

On BMW you pull the door handle twice

[-] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Unless it's a coupe, then you don't have rear doors at all...

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep. That's my issue. It's not the fire, it's that it's really hard to get out in a disaster.

The Tesla could just have easily killed four if it crashed into water.

[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You mean, the mechanical handle present? I'm not sure if older cars over a decade ago didn't have em, but my model 3 has mechanical release on every hinged part. Even the drunk, which no human being would even fit in (I think, I guess a toddler might?).

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[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

no, it wouldn't. Because the car is not filled with aerosolized explodey-gas, but just flammable liquid contained in a robust tank. it is not explosive. It can catch fire, but not simply from impact. You'd need a hole in the tank lower than the current fuel level and an external ignition source. Even if you shoot the gas tank directly, it will not explode. It is physically impossible for it to explode.

Puncture one of an electric car's cells, and it sets off a chain reaction. The whole car very quickly goes up in flames.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

A hit car engine is an external ignition source, and gas cars go up in flames daily in the us

[-] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

But if the media doesn't report it, lemmings don't know it exists.

[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

"Robust"? Clearly you've never driven an itlian made car!

Alphas tanks are literally made out of plastic. You can poke them with a basic screwdriver.

Yeah it won't go boom, but point being, they're not robust and go in flames fairly often too...

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

If I made a metal cage for rich people that locked and set on fire, I would go to prison for life probably. This guy does that and sells it to them

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[-] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Some reasons why they probably would be fine in a normal car

  1. Central computer controls everything. A crashing computer means a crashing car

  2. Electronic door locks. When you crash youre going to have a hard time opening the door

  3. Shatterproof windows mean if your door won't open, you're BBQ

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[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago
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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

What a shot what a shot what a shot

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[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 year ago

It was Saturday evening around 10pm, three restaurant employees went into one of the client car to "try it out", the client (65 years old) was clearly speeding, lost control of the vehicle, left the road and hit a traffic sign.

My bet is that all of that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a Tesla, the only difference is the fire but this is the same for every electric vehicle.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

i wonder if they were unable to open the doors for some non-tesla related reason such as death

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah but nobody will click a headline like 'person killed in car crash after speeding and hitting a traffic sign'

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Do you have a source?

None of the articles that I checked this morning had that info.

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oh good, I finally get to use my high school french:

Trois des victimes travaillaient dans un restaurant de la commune voisine de Melle, le conducteur en était un client.

3 victims worked in a restaurant of the town of Melle, the driver was a client.

Or I'm completely wrong about everything.

[-] Skunk@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No you got it right, kudos to your high school French!

Source: Am frog

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Merci beaucoup.

Tried to use French in Paris but everybody switched to English immediately.

Got to use it a good bit in lille though, that was fun.

[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

If Musk can remote disable the car, can he remote lock the doors and have it speed up?

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago

Can a malicious actor remotely do stuff with your thing you connected to the internet?

Yes.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

He'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

And if he can, who else can?

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago

His password is probably “god”

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Pretty much all forms of vehicle transport is unsafe. This is why electric cars should be thought of as: good but not ideal.

[-] Samvega 11 points 1 year ago

I'm halfway through rewatching Demolition Man as of yesterday evening. Simon Phoenix blew up the capacitance gel in a car using one of the cop's electrical night sticks. I can only assume that Musk is now going to unfreeze John Spartan to deal with these crimes.

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ooooo sorry, you waived your right to a trail by jury in the EULA you signed.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Not in the EU you didn't.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to preliminary reports, the vehicle rammed into several road signs at high speed.

Place your bet. 1.5x reward for people placing bet on faulty "F"SD.

Edit: so FSD is off the bet.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Sorry to burst your bubble, but FSD isn't available in France.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

FSD is not available in France.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I place my bet on the brake paddle slipping off. It's a known issue.

Edit: Apaprently it affected cybertrucks, not Model 3

[-] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the Cybertruck, not Teslas in general. Also has been fixed.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

So the assumption is that they could not exit the vehicle?

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I guess the question has so be raised how four people died in a car that didn't roll over.

The good thing is that Tesla has the records and will release them without issues...

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

timesofmalta... this reminded me of the maltase journalist who was car bombed there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia

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