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Are Canadians souring on Pierre Poilievre? New poll suggests his popularity has taken a hit (www.thestar.com)

submitted 9 months ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[-] Godort@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago

I fucking hope so

[-] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 38 points 9 months ago

Get rid of Trudeau and Poilievre. Honestly, maybe Singh too. Just give us all new party leaders

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’d take Singh in a heartbeat over the other two.

But we need a Kamala up here too.

[-] voluble@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago

Even if the Liberals somehow manage to find a credible, electable leader that doesn't end up being a Michael Ignatieff 2.0, I see no reason to trust that they won't deliver more of the same bullshit.

When it comes to leadership in American politics, it's said that democrats fall in love, and republicans fall in line.

I don't want to fall in love. The past decade of Canadian politics has been a parade of 'charisma' and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. I want a sincere and straightforward leader, who won't get embroiled in scandals, has a strong stance on foreign policy, a plan for foreign interference, the housing & affordability crisis, and an ability to deal with issues in a straightforward and policy-focused way. I guess what I'm trying to say is I want a prime minister with a short skirt and a long jacket.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I consider it a national tragedy that Jack Layton didn’t survive long enough to be elected as a PM. He would’ve rocked it.

[-] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I've been feeling the same way for years now. I think the course of Canadian politics massively changed for the worse from his passing. Though I never thought of it as a real inflection point until years later.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

I miss Tom Mulcair. He really was very good, but apparently people thought he was "angry" or somesuch nonsense.

And now we have petulant Millhouse as our next potential PM. Tell me about "angry Tom", again?

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

I always thought it was the terrible campaign quip that sunk him... I don't remember exactly but it was something like:

"Healthcare, Medicare, Mulcair..." and IIRC it received a LOT of groans at the time.

Mulcair also could never ever ever live up to the legacy of Jack Layton. If Jack hadn't been taken from us, we'd be looking at a very different Canada right now.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I am not sure Layton would be as good as people suspect: there's a big "die a hero or live long enough to become the villian" about his possible legacy.

He was a pretty good politician, and had a lot of charisma, but he was also responsible for toppling the Martin government despite knowing it would give us Harper. I wasn't the biggest Martin fan, but we were really close to some real improvements under Martin, and instead of leveraging that, Layton rolled the dice and the result was a lost decade for progressivism.

If I had my choice of recent NDP leadership possibles, post-Layton, I'd have opted for Charlie Angus.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Fair enough. But despite any possible repercussions, the play was to make the NDP a much bigger player than it had ever been, and he succeeded; under him, the NDP became the official opposition for the first time in it's history. If Layton were still around, and the NDP perhaps managed to retain the official opposition status, Canadian politics would have been forever changed. Instead we quickly reverted back to the Liberal/Conservative swap game every few election cycles.

I think regardless of the ultimate legacy of Layton, the status quo would have been shaken up. And at this point, any change is better than two entrenched and old political parties essentially power sharing every few years.

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

True.

I think the reason the federal Liberals even ran with Trudeau--instead of another technocrat like Ignatieff--is that the NDP under Layton scared them shitless. They were, for the first time in their history, looking down the tubes at irrelevancy. If the NDP got traction, they (the Liberals) would stop being the default ABC choice.

Especially the NDP inroads in Quebec. That was scary.

They'd already seen this happen in Alberta, and it was well under way in other provinces. They needed Trudeau or someone like him to shine them up, or they'd be gone by the next cycle.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I just like they everyone is NDO we’ll ruin the country. Like the other two are not doing that.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

I guess what I’m trying to say is I want a prime minister with a short skirt and a long jacket.

I also want my Cake and to eat it too.

[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

.....bongos

[-] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago

I feel like this might be the only way we can get back to a political discourse that isn't just "ugh, that guy sucks"

[-] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Still waiting for Rachel Notley to throw her hat into the ring for the NDP, that'd be a breath of fresh air

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 27 points 9 months ago

please

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 21 points 9 months ago

But PP is so likeable with his ron desantis delivery and maple maga fear-mongering.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 20 points 9 months ago

I prettt much have to rely on Fedia and some Torontonian friends to know how the public actually feels about Pierre

You have not experienced an echo chamber til you've lived in Alberta, cripes it often feels like Pierre has a 99.9% chance of winning if you listen to people here

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You could run a dead skunk in Alberta and it would win if it had Conservative on its campaign sign.

[-] voluble@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

FWIW, in terms of % of the popular vote in 2021, Alberta voted NDP at a higher rate than Ontario. So I think the results of a FPTP election obscure the diversity of views in Alberta.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Someone should do a movie about Jack Layton

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

If the LPC MPs manage to kick Trudeau out, PP's prospects are over.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

He should do a Biden and step back for the good of the country.

[-] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

He 100% will not. He thinks he's the only one who can save Canada.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He lost me totally when he decided to support shoving an oil pipeline through BC. will never forgive that.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

I think if Trump loses the election, it will hurt Pollievre as well.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He’s still winning. There is no way the liberals get back in with or without JT as leader. It’s Canadian tradition keep party in power till your mad then vote the other guy in.

[-] undercrust@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

🎶 Iiiiits the Canadian waaaayyy 🎶

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

lol. When Kamala hands trump his go directly to jail slip. The grifter is finished.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Did anybody ever not sour on this testicular sore of a human being?

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

The only people who weren't already soured on him from the beginning are people who think Trump and DeSantis are "good guys".

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Archived link.

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

PP is a walking stereotype of everything wrong with Canada. I would love to see some ranked voting, but the liberals didn't keep their election reform promise.