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I'm a conservative. I don't mind the liberal stuff here. It's good to learn the other side, but I don't want a liberal echo chamber. I'd like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?

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[-] duckington@lemmy.world 168 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately most of the more “conservative” instances became highly toxic and so most other instances have defederated with them.

[-] euphoria@kbin.social 115 points 1 year ago

funny how every time conservatives group up, their communities become so toxic, full of hate and conspiracies, that people have no choice but to cut ties lol

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[-] randomname01@feddit.nl 35 points 1 year ago

Instantly became toxic? I’m shocked, shocked I say!

[-] rist097@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.

The only way I heard of conservative communities here is from a post that is asking for defederation or deletion

[-] Jimbo@yiffit.net 77 points 1 year ago

Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that's probably too much to ask

[-] Puppy@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

Remember when being conservative meant you wanted lower tax?

Now it's a competition to see who's going to say the most toxic stuff and who can become the biggest piece of trash a human being can be

"I LOVE RUSSIA TRUMP IS MY GOD FUCK LGBTS ALL TRANS ARE PEDOPHILE SOROS BILL GATES WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE FAUCI OBAMA BUT HER EMAILS BUT HIS LAPTOPS BUD LITE WOKE WOKE"

like holy shit, calm down a bit...

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[-] euphoria@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

conservative spaces shouldn't need moderates to balance out their toxicity and crazy when left on their own, they simply shouldn't be toxic and crazy. why do they need their hand held? it gets defederated quickly because THEY always quickly turn their spaces into pure hate, and they choose to spread that. that's on them, not us.

[-] filthyhookerspit@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

The ideology is built in hate so it's no surprise this happens to them

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[-] Maxcoffee@kbin.social 148 points 1 year ago

The challenge will be finding an actual traditional conservative instance that isn't also a pro-Nazi fascist shithole.

[-] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 47 points 1 year ago

I imagine traditional conservatives often get gate checked as leftist.

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[-] S_204@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago

Reality has a well known liberal bias. Stop trying to hide from reality.

[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

No, the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives, due to a variety of reason. In real life you are much more likely to met someone that is neutral or only slightly to either side. What exists here is literal echo chambers of liberal policy to the point the policy becomes unpalatable for most, that doesn't exist outside the internet.

[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives

Because Conservatives don't know how to use the internet or change the channel away from fox

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[-] mortalic@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just a reminder that it isn't a left vs right conversation. It's working class vs ruling class.

You aren't bitter at leftists, you're bitter at the ideas that media companies use to keep you angry at leftists instead of oligarchs.

If you have to work, you're working class.

If you actually do hate certain types of people, then you need to work on yourself.

If you don't believe certain people need health care, then you need to work on yourself.

If you believe ultra wealthy (people making over $10mil in income annually) deserve more tax cuts, then you need to work on yourself.

If you don't believe that minimum wage should have parity with inflation, then you need to work on yourself.

Have some class solidarity.

EDIT: To all those downvotes... Ask yourself why you are downvoting me. (Now with 100% more sources)

Do you actually hate certain people? Really? But you're downvoting me? Work on yourself.

Do you actually believe you don't deserve health care? That others don't deserve health care? Seriously? Work on yourself.

Are you super wealthy (low percentage chance)? I'm saying uncomfortable things to you. But you can easily afford those taxes so maybe work on yourself.

Do you believe people working for minimum wage shouldn't be able to afford an apartment by themselves anywhere in the USA? Work on yourself.

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[-] mitchacho74@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

I think it'll be tough to find that corner of it... I think I saw a conservative community on lemmy.world but the platforms original purpose was to get away from the big, controlling, capitalist social media platforms the likes of Twitter, Instagram, reddit, etc. Like mastodon, the largest part of the fediverse (I'm pretty sure), grew alot when twitter was brought by Elon, and more moved after he messed up the platform enough, saying they'll create their own platform where hate won't be allowed. It's kinda against it's nature to have much conservative-ness.

Not trying to be rude as based on how this sounds, you seem nice enough and not crazy, but places like mastodon are basically the left's version of "Truth social" where people are pretty ok with saying "I don't want those thoughts spread here" those thoughts they don't want are usually things like homophobia or transphobia, but those are fairly common on the right even if you don't share them.

It's an interesting thought and would probably be alittle healthier, but hey you're still here being able to provide that counter point of view

[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anyone who votes for a party that supports racism, banning books, and trying to make it harder for people to vote is not "nice enough".

They are an evil piece of shit who is making the country a miserable place to live.

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[-] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I understand how you feel, let me know if you find anything. I'm more left leaning myself, but I'm also not a fan of echo chambers and it gets pretty tiring and annoying seeing the same stuff over and over again. At the end of the day, I just wanna see an open, fair, and balanced discussion. The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you'd think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It's interesting.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you’d think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It’s interesting.

american conservatives care more about denying rights and liberties than anything else as evidenced by their leaders and publicly shared platforms; so if you believe that censorship has anything to do w it, you're not a conservative.

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[-] o_oli@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

I mean honestly it's probably near impossible to discuss conservative politics online these days without the far right loonies invading, taking over and getting the place banned lol.

Also I wonder if conservatives would be put off lemmy given the political stance of its creators - even though that shouldn't matter being free and open and not controlled by any one person, you know how people are.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why do you thknk it is, that those "far right loonies" feel welcome and comfortable in those "conservative" spaces?

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[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you'd think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It's interesting.

What a baffling take. I'm stunned that you managed to describe the exact opposite of reality. The left are against centralisation of power, especially in corporations... It's so absurd to suggest the left are fans of big tech. It's even more absurd to suggest the right are not. The right wing supports capitalism, and corporate monopoly is pretty much the goal of any capitalist business.

Also, censorship is utterly irrelevant to this discussion... apart from, i guess, social media execs having the power to silence people who hate them. Which are... most likely to be leftists...

Such a weird comment. I'm shook.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Being a conservative must be a discombobulating experience in the technological age. The conservative is attempting to prevent the progression of society and conserve what we currently have or even revert to a bygone era.

OP arrives at a brand new platform, a piece of technology that didn't exist a short while ago and requests a space to assemble people who don't like change.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 year ago

I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse.

As shown by votes on abortion rights in states like Kansas, Michigan, etc, your views are in the minority. Media makes it seem like the country is split 50-50, but the only reason that appearance isn't turned on its head is low voter turnout.

I do hope you find a place where you feel comfortable, however. I think that's reasonable to strive for for all people regardless of their views.

[-] McNasty@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Nah, man. If your views involve forcing the birth of a baby with spina-bifida or my wife carrying a dead fetus for three months or more, you can get fucked.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Also gerrymandering

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think it's controversial to say that "conservative" in the context of US politics has been bifurcated. On the one hand, there are definitely traditional conservatives out there. On the other hand, the really loud ones tend to be far right edge lords who purposefully speak loudly about topics that are socially unacceptable. It's always based on a misunderstanding of free speech, too: people are generally free to say what they want, but they are not free from the consequences imposed by society based on what they say, especially when supporting harmful activities or straight violence. This is something Elon Musk really should learn about.

I'm all for open discourse with traditional conservatives, but I'm not about to sit idly by while Nazis return to the stage. There was a war and the outcome was pretty darned clear. So, I'd say it's a good example of bad apples ruining the bunch (though from what I have seen, the ~~number~~ ratio of Nazis vs traditional conservatives is sadly pretty high). I think it is an issue that will need to be fixed between conservatives, ultimately. Shutting down Nazis (again) seems quite acceptable to me, however.

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[-] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago
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[-] Lanthanae 29 points 1 year ago

Why make it a right vs left thing at all. Can't we just discuss things going on as they are without pigeonholing certain opinions as "right" and "left?"

I don't think x y z thing is true because I'm "on the left." I think it's true because it's my best understanding of reality, and that understanding of reality is generally described as "left." If you falsify my arguments, point flaws in my understanding, or present me with a set of premises that corroborates reality better, I'll align myself with that in a heartbeat. When you see something you disagree with, don't just think "oh that's leftism I don't agree with that," instead, try to figure out what you think the flaw is with it, and then offer that up in good faith. Worst case scenario, someone learns something.

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[-] tryagain@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Honestly? And I promise I'm not being sarcastic: Reddit and Twitter are still your home. But the same goes for centre-left liberals. It's not that you're conservative, it's that you're moderate.

Many of the recent arrivals to the fediverse (myself included) are here because we're fleeing the corporate internet. We feel strongly enough about it that we've thrown all our toys out of the pram, abandoning huge platforms to try build this new space. This kind of behaviour isn't exactly "centrist".

So this nascent lemmyverse has a wiiiiide breadth of political views but not as much in the middle because those folks are all still on the old platforms. Over here we have Nazis, hexbear and shitposts. And porn. It's still early days.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

If you want to see where the conservatives moved to, go to scored.co. (formerly thedonald.win). The worst thing about them isn't limited to the unhinged garbage they spew, but that they are just such bores.

It's so awful in every way imaginable that it makes me appreciate what we have here even more.

[-] oo1@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

you probably have to convince more people with those views to switch away from their other social media.

i suspect moderate conservative people are maybe more likely to stay with status quo/ monolithic / non-distributed services, so there won't be as many moving to a new looser open source thing.

like i bet linux / open source / foss users are a little bit more likely to be liberal or socialist (or DGAFs) - at least insofar as they're choosing on principles of ownership and user rights rather than affordability - its sort of linked-in to those licenses which inherently disempower the individual creator of the IP (vs say a patent) and empower the end users and people who want to reuse the IP in a different ways. That's basically a liberal ownership model vs a capitalist one - to grossly oversimply.

conservatives are maybe more likely to be buying proprietary services from microsoft, oracle, or amazon/google ( pay someone else to run your linux /postgres for you!), if they're happy eating all that shit from them, reddit is probably fine.

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