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Well, this just got darker.

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 251 points 1 month ago

This isn't surprising, it's inevitable.

If you folks knew how common pedophilic fantasies are amongst the general public, you would be shocked. Just look to cultures like Japan and Russia that don't strongly condemn such things, and you'll find it's about 15% of the population. It's only less in the West because of the near homicidal stigma attached to it that makes people vigorously hide that part of themselves.

Fortunately, this also shows that the vast majority of those people don't offend.

We also tend to define pedophilia as "anything sexual involving a minor", while reacting to it as if it means "violent rape of a toddler", so no shit, we sexualize youth all the time, the 18 year mark is a legal and social formality, not a hard limit on human attraction. Adults will find themselves attracted to teens, and they won't reveal that because who the fuck ever would?

If anything, the issue isn't that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can't separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.

[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn't too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren't commonly associated with children and older teens. It's clearly a form of deflection IMO.

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound

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[-] peanuts4life 160 points 1 month ago

I actually don't think this is shocking or something that needs to be "investigated." Other than the sketchy website that doesn't secure user's data, that is.

Actual child abuse / grooming happens on social media, chat services, and local churches. Not in a one on one between a user and a llm.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

pedophiles are bad, if you think otherwise you're pedophile enabling scum and are just as guilty as they are.

edit: I'll wear the down votes like a badge of honor if it means pedophiles that train their grooming habits against AI are branded as pedophiles.

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 83 points 1 month ago

If I get to know all that stuff about my neighbors, my neighbors get to know tons of information about me too.

Hard pass. Wake me when someone commits a crime.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 70 points 1 month ago
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[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 month ago

Lmao are you out here saying we should essentially smear people for thought crimes?

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[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they've ever actually hurt anyone.

Do I like that there's art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can't even get the help they need. It's like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You're trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.

Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say "pedophiles bad." I guess I, as you like to put it, "hit a nerve."

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

There are literally tv shows about how to get away with murder. Very popular ones. Those viewers don't murder at a higher rate than others.

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago

There's literally a drama that was on ABC called, you guessed it, "How to Get Away With Murder"

[-] uriel238 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I'm not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.

True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.

Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.

I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they'd find I'm yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I'd certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.

We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we're eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

instead of knowing someone in the neighborhood is researching how to get away with murder.

...how would I know that?

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[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

insert surprised pikachu face here

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 40 points 1 month ago

Wait… so you meant to tell me that predatory simps are using AI incorrectly? Man…. If only someone could have called this years ago- something could have been done to minimize it!

Who knew that unchecked growth could lead to negative results?!

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

But they did, AI Dungeon got nerfed so bad you could only have happy adventures with.

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[-] Johanno@feddit.org 34 points 1 month ago

Ain't that what are the tools there for. I mean I don't like cp and I don't want to engage in way with people who like it. But I use those llms to describe fantasies that I wouldn't even talk about with other humans.

As long as they don't do it on real humans nobody is hurt.

[-] erwan@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

The problem with AI generated CP is that if they're legal, it opens a new line of defense for actual CP. You would need to prove the content is not AI to convince real abusers. This is why it can't be made legal, it needs to be prosecuted like real CP to be sure to convict actual abusers.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.

But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.

This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.

I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.

I suppose "AI big bad" justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that's being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.

I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.

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[-] zlatiah@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

A bit off topic... But from my understanding, the US currently doesn't have a single federal agency that is responsible for AI regulation... However, there is an agency for child abuse protection: the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect within Department of HHS

If AI girlfriends generating CSAM is how we get AI regulation in the US, I'd be equally surprised and appalled

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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 20 points 1 month ago

Paywall. That site frankly does not even look legit and looking at the plethora of other AI sites I don't know who would use this one. It's not even displaying correctly and has like 0 information on anything. If I were to stumble upon that site I'd think it is shady as hell.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, a lot of women get raped as a child, sadly

So its pretty realistic for an AI gf to talk about her past trama of child sexual abuse. I don't think we should be upset about this..

We need to talk about rape culture to end rape culture

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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is a weird one, because while fantasy is fantasy, and doesn't necessarily indicate an intention to act on anything, these people were dumb enough to share these specific fantasies with some random AI porn site. That's got to be an indicator of poor impulse control, right?

That alone should probably warrant immediate FBI background checks, or whatever relevant agencies have jurisdiction for these types of criminal investigations in each user's locality.

Of course, I am saying it's without actually having read any of the chats. So it's possible my opinion would change from "this should be investigated", to summary executions and burn the bodies for good measure... but no way I'm reading those fucking chats.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 83 points 1 month ago

Just to be clear, are you saying that people should be investigated by the police for fictional stories that they read?

[-] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

*ask to be written

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, I am saying that sharing fantasies about underage children with a shady and poorly designed AI porn site, shows a serious lack of judgement and impulse control.

For that reason, yeah, they probably deserve having a quick review of their life to make sure that's the only poor choice they've made in regards to that particular fantasy.

And they weren't just reading, they were prompting the LLM model to generate these specific fantasies. They didn't just come across a fucked up website and read a few forum posts.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago

If we investigated everyone with poor impulse control, we'd be investigating 80% of the world.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm just saying, police investigation of fiction creators and readers for the content of their fiction is way over the line of a lot of social and political norms.

(Also, I think you'll find that police abuse children a lot more than pervy fiction fans do; so really, who should be investigating whom? Investigation into crime is supposed to start with evidence that a crime actually occurred — not with your personal disgust towards someone's reading matter.)

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[-] li10@feddit.uk 14 points 1 month ago

I mean, if those stories were made by their prompts and about having sex with children then maybe 🤷‍♂️

I know we need to draw a line about what police can do with that sort of info so it’s not abused, but these people are still sick fucks.

[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Now that devices are starting to have built in features with AI automatically combing through all information on them, the idea of this sort of stuff being logged in the first place is concerning.

For instance, should someone prompting an AI to describe them beating up and torturing their boss be flagged for "potentially violent tendencies"? Who decides the "limit" where "privacy" no longer applies and stuff should be flagged, logged and sent off to authorities?

As I see it, the real issue is people being hurt, not text or fictive materials, however sickening they might be.

If the resources invested in spying on people and making databases were instead directed towards funding robust and publicly available psychiatric care I expect that'd be more efficient.

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[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

And what shall be the threshold for criminalizing simply being a sick fuck?

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 month ago

Right? Let’s demonize vore fetishists next, those are clearly cannibals in waiting.

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[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Is that an indicator of poor impulse control? Really? Finding some shady back of the internet ai site to put some weird fantasy prompts into to get themselves off? Seems pretty calculated to me. They can't put it somewhere legitimate where content is moderated and policed. Seems like pretty sound logic to me.

Dont get me wrong, these people are sick. If thats what they are into then theres something wrong, but instead of targeting real kids like so many people actually do, you know, like hollywood, celebrities, musicians, the catholic church etc they are entering prompts and reading stories. Sounds like impulse controlled to me.

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