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[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 139 points 3 weeks ago

Many people do not grasp the sheer size of the disparity between the truly wealthy and everyone else.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 43 points 3 weeks ago

They really think billionaires are like them, the only difference is that someone else goes to Walmart for them

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[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Or they take capitalism as good and freedom as an axiom.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Most people will take "freedom" as an axiom, but how "freedom" is defined varies a lot. In a society where the commons are pretty much fully enclosed and you are homeless, the petite-bourgeois may very well be free, but you really aren't.

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[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 43 points 3 weeks ago

because they prefer to dream of themselves as billionaires in potentia. it's hard to admit you've been duped, especially when society gives you so many targets to punch down on.

or, as futurama put it, link

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

A slave doesn't dream to be free, but to be a king

[-] AliSaket@mander.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago

Many reasons. One major factor imho is the belief or illusion to be living in a meritocracy. Which would mean, that someone who's rich has to have earned it and therefore criticism must stem from envy or jealousy. The same belief fuels the ideology of thinking of poor people to just be lazy leeches on society.

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[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

temporarily embarrassed billionaires

Richard Nixon's head : I promise to cut taxes for the rich and use the poor as a cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel!

[audience applauds]

Philip J. Fry : That'll show those poor!

Turanga Leela : You're not rich!

Philip J. Fry : But someday I might be rich, and people like me better watch their step

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Many don't even do it intentionally, they just don't grasp concepts like Historical and Dialectical Materialism, which requires reading lengthy books to fully grasp. They may be anti-Capitalist at heart, but without a solid understanding of theory they play into bourgeois hands.

There's also the fact that the ideas held by society are a reflection of the Mode of Production.

[-] Wojwo@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure they'd take everything you just wrote and say, "that sounds like critical race theory, which Jesus said was bad."

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

Sure. The de-industrialization of America has been devastating for class awareness.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People who defend billionaires either have a vested interest, have actually bought that they're 1000x smarter than normal people, or have some (possibly vague) abstract moral position that overrules the basic idea of fairness. Often it's more than one.

Capitalism, as the term is commonly used, is poorly defined enough that you have to specify what it means here. Is it any kind of market? Is it large corporations? Is it every interaction being purely voluntary (somehow)? If you consider a big Soviet firm like Gosbank a "corporation", all three could also be socialist depending on who you ask.

Since this is .ml, for the classical Marxist definition that it's "private ownership of the means of production", the arguments are mainly against the proposed alternatives, or just that private vs. personal is hard to demarcate, and nobody wants to share a toothbrush.

[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago

I guess the central premise of capitalism is that while every society has its haves and have nots, capitalism is supposed to encourage the haves to invest in the economy rather than hoarding their wealth. In return, they stand to get even wealthier, but a stronger economy ought to generate more employment and generally improve the lives of commoners as well.

Unfortunately, in a never-ending quest to make wealth-generation more efficient and streamlined, employment is being eliminated through automation, outsourcing, etc. and the system is eating itself out from the inside. I doubt it can persist much longer, but what will replace it remains unclear. I pray that it will be something sensible that ensures everyone has their basic needs met and can still find rewarding pursuits in life. But there are so many ways it could go very wrong, and that includes staying on the current course.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

I guess the central premise of capitalism is that while every society has its haves and have nots, capitalism is supposed to encourage the haves to invest in the economy rather than hoarding their wealth. In return, they stand to get even wealthier, but a stronger economy ought to generate more employment and generally improve the lives of commoners as well.

Nitpicky, but that's the premise of Liberalism, not Capitalism. Capitalism emerged not because it was an idea, but an evolution in Mode of Production. Liberalism is the ideological justification.

Unfortunately, in a never-ending quest to make wealth-generation more efficient and streamlined, employment is being eliminated through automation, outsourcing, etc. and the system is eating itself out from the inside. I doubt it can persist much longer, but what will replace it remains unclear. I pray that it will be something sensible that ensures everyone has their basic needs met and can still find rewarding pursuits in life. But there are so many ways it could go very wrong, and that includes staying on the current course.

Have you read Marx? He makes the case that due to Capitalism's tendency to centralize and form monopolist syndicates with internal planning, the next mode of production is Socialism, ie public ownership and planning of the syndicates formed by the market system.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 20 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Zink@programming.dev 19 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately many of us have been taught that being a good person and a good citizen equals being productive and accumulating resources. Things that are quantifiable and external to the actual person and their relationships.

Being productive and accumulating some resources can be good activities to spend time on, but they are practical necessities and not defining characteristics of existence.

[-] hostops@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago

About defending capitalism (and not billionaires - who more often than not abuse this system). Some of us lived in other systems. And we understand any other system is way way way way worse.

There are however a lot of problems with capitalism and should be held on a very short leash. Or else monopoly happens. The most effective actions to keep capitalism at bay: strong anti-trust laws, strong worker protection (this includes a lot of stuff), wealth tax.

And be aware there are many flavours of calitalism. Most commonly people in USA are the most extreme where you have really "long leash". And people see such capitalism as failing and want to replace whole system.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

There are however a lot of problems with capitalism and should be held on a very short leash. Or else monopoly happens. The most effective actions to keep capitalism at bay: strong anti-trust laws, strong worker protection (this includes a lot of stuff), wealth tax.

Capitalism eats the leash, you can't avoid this.

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[-] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 18 points 3 weeks ago

Our retirement is tied to it.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

my retirement is non-existent

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[-] communism@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago
  1. Because it's in their personal interests to perpetuate capitalism
  2. Because liberal ideology is hegemonic and it is what most people have been raised to believe
  3. Plenty of other reasons why people hold the political beliefs they hold, surely it's obvious that there are many ways that someone can arrive at a belief system
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[-] kittenzrulz123 15 points 3 weeks ago

Liberalism, its propaganda, and its consequences. Also a severe lack of class consciousness and knowledge of political theory.

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[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago

Because the average person doesn't have any real time to think deeply about politics. They believe whatever big media tells them. Some also can't understand how evil someone people can get.

"Surely the basic logic of how things work must be very consistent in order to have such a large and prosperous country like the USA. I don't understand it. Probably because I'm missing something not because it's fundamentally flawed"

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[-] SnotFlickerman 14 points 3 weeks ago

Ignorance, pride, "temporarily embarrassed billionaire" syndrome.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Post apocalyptic nature of alot of media makes me think that people can more easily Imagine the fall of human civilization then we can a better world where everyone's needs are met.

To the 1%, losing all your wealth and power be an apocalypse, so it is in their best interests that everyone would be thinking the same as well. No matter how much better we all would be together otherwise.

[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

We’re raised by parents that must be obeyed for our own safety. Some people eventually learn to accept their parents are imperfect people and not gods. Many people do not. They look to kings and gods to protect and provide for them.

Those that have power negotiate with kings and gods. People without power attempt to use the only techniques they know to negotiate with their kings and gods: begging and/or pledging loyalty and service in exchange for scraps.

Of course this is but one of many reasons many people worship power.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

It's not because they think they can be billionaires, it's because they've been taught (and in a minority of cases this is true) that they are better off going after the crumbs that billionaires leave them than trying some other system.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

Brainwashed since birth. GI Joe had the American Express slogan in an episode ("never leave home without it."). Alvin and the Chipmunks had a story about the Berlin Wall propagandizing communism. All the bad guys in Cobra have accents.

This shit is vile and it was on my morning cartoons.

[-] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Lack of successful alternatives? It's easy to find flaws with capitalism but every other system has its share of problems too.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Socialism is the successful successor to Capitalism. Socialism isn't an idea you implement, but a consequence of markets coalescing into monopolist syndicates that make themselves ripe for public ownership and planning.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I think you know why. Is this a real question or are you just fishing?

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