Is Lemmy full of sovereign citizens now days? In all countries including China when you drive dangerously you get a ticket.
https://priceonomics.com/how-police-officers-seize-cash-from-innocent/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/
Those are just the top 3 search results for "cops steal money".
People should still be punished for driving dangerously. Civil forfeiture is another issue.
Feel free to point out in the meme where the driver was driving dangerously.
The same place it says it’s for civil forfeiture. This being said the police officer does have a ticket in hand which implies some sort of safety violation.
This comic could be taking place in China. The same scene could play out. Nothing specific to injustice in the USA here.
You'd lick the boot in China too, but nice try.
If I was driving dangerously it would only be just that I be punished proportionately. Same goes for everyone in every country.
If you call that boot licking so be it.
Who
Is
Driving
Dangerously?
Assumptions in your head don't count anymore than anything else in there.
expired registration is not a safety issue
If your state doesn't do safety inspections that's something you should talk with a state legislator about.
And yet this meme is clearly about traffic enforcement.
First you have to stops the cars to gets the money.
I'm sure the Ferengi could have said it better.
If you can help us get rid of cars then great. Otherwise, yes we need some kind of accountability on people driving several tons of metal at insane speeds.
Well yeah. If you search for a topic, the top results should be relevant. That's how searching is supposed to work.
I’m not driving, I’m traveling!!!
That was my exact first impression of this post.
Basically Sovcit nonsense
Fuck off. If I had a button to ban every person who upvoted it I would. Local governments all over the country make up enormous percentages of their yearly budget directly taken from the citizens in the form of “parking enforcement”. Nobody said sovereign citizen anything this is a specific issue of police and what they’re for and who they do it to. Huff glue and choke:
Are you saying this ironically? Everyone I don’t like should be banned and should die? This seems really authoritarian to me.
Complaints about parking enforcement? Clearly not a fuck cars member.
We started by making fun of sovcits, now we make fun of anyone who criticizes police. What the fuck is happening on Lemmy.
I heavily suggest you Google "monopoly on violence"
We don’t need to start from Hobbes to understand that, as a society, punishing dangerous drivers is a good thing.
There is a lot of good reading out there. I recommend this as a starting point when coming to an understanding of violence and society.
We don’t need to start from Hobbes
Recommends Hobbes as a starting point
I agree 100% but just had a bit of a giggle
lol. I realized that as I was writing that. But I went with it. Hobbes is a great starting point for people new to political philosophy.
We just don’t need to start with him.
I think John Rawls is a better starting place if we were to start a society from scratch. Just a bit harder for people less used to reading philosophical works.
Sure, but if simply keeping the roads safe was their only objective, they wouldn't have things like quotas where they have to shake down a certain number of people for the sake of their budget.
In addition to issuing tickets officers all over the country take the opportunity to seize what they in their sole judgment regard as suspicious amounts of cash without benefit of a trial or charges. Many such seizures are in the mere hundreds of dollars with the average seizure only $1200 and the legal cost to reclaim such is usually in the thousands so people are left without recourse. Even when the money is reclaimed there is no punishment for officers for essentially robbing the populace.
In the last 20 years they have taken about 70B from citizens mostly without actually charging the person they stole from and disproportionately from minorities.
Regarding the victims, many people especially contractors prefer to deal in cash and frequently carry a significant amount of cash on hand to purchase goods and pay help. Others transport large quantities of cash from their business or to make large purchases particularly used cars purchased from owners instead of dealerships.
Woah that's a lot. Source?
Civil asset forfeiture used to be all the rage in outrage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
I mean depending on the state or even the town that officer is going to take any cash they have on them and might shoot them if they don't comply...
I don’t think so. I mean cops can be jerks but they’re really not dumb enough to just risk their jobs for $40 USD out of someone’s wallet. Let alone build a culture out of this.
Civil forfeiture of greater than $1000 USD where that stuff gets documented and people have the prove the “innocence” of that money on the other had is another issue.
Cops stopping people for cash just feels like a childish characterization. There are enough real problems with police to address (ie systematic racism and nepotism) no need to work with characterizations.
I generally agree with you but have you not seen the news? They get away with killing innocent people illegally all the time. Do you think they're actually afraid of getting in trouble over stealing 40 bucks?
And that stuff is terrible. But I think it’s caused by systematic racism. (aka what we should actually worry about)
Like the comic empathizes the wrong thing. It reduces valid concerns with police to the level of sovereign citizens.
Getting a ticket for driving unsafely around others, while on a public road provided by the government for the people to use to get where they want to go... yes, surely this is authoritarianism /s
If we could count on unsafe drivers getting tickets, then maybe that would be acceptable, but that's not how it works. It's really hard to quantity "safety". It's really easy to quantity speed. It's difficult to quantify what speed is safe, so in most cases, we pick an arbitrary number, which damn near everyone ignores. At least where I live, 5 over is a minimum, 10-15 over is common. So cops can pretty much pull anyone over at a whim. And they do. But they don't make a dent in actual unsafe driving.
Monopoly on violence is literally something good. The biggest problem in the US is that this just doesn't exist (see gun legislation), which leads to all the school shootings and a more militarized police.
Violence doesn't just become good because you legitimize it through the state.
But there can be less of it, if it is exercised by a monopoly.
Nah, it just institutionalizes it and perpetuates it in a different form -- namely structural violence. It's oppressive and coercive in nature, ultimately used to protect the interests of those with property and further instantiate inequality.
You can't eliminate violence through violence. You have to meet people's basic needs. A society that coerces people to act a particular way -- especially in regards to meeting their basic needs -- through the threat of force could not have been built on freedom, or compassion, or mutual solidarity. It's unjust, imo
no, it's not something good, look at Honkong, Tibet, Russia, Iran, Belarus, etc.
Are you advocating for multiple, competing armed groups in the US?
Generally, a monopoly on the legitimate use of force is considered a cornerstone of "government".
I don't like the government, I'm an anarcho-syndicalist. that means different syndicates would be armed and they'd probably be competing, so yeah, I'm advocating for multiple armed forces
In most states nothing happens. If they have you on body camera then they can match it to the driver's license database. You're going to get your ticket and another for driving off, in the mail.
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