The only way to get Europeans to stop smoking outdoors is to get rid of all the Europeans
Fair and balanced.
So, where exactly are smokers supposed to smoke then when pretty much everywhere indoor smoking is already banned??
At home, in private lodgings and dedicated smoking areas.
This is one thing once more which would be a non issue if it weren't for the people who throw their stubs everywhere and blow smoke in the faces of others.
But how are you supposed to smoke at home when smoke detectors are required by law already and cigs keep setting them off? Not everybody lives in a gaff with a balcony or in a house with a garden behind.
Plus, I don't like smoking at home either. Just glad I got a balcony for that.
That's the neat part, you're not supposed to smoke at all.
They can't ban cigarettes outright, yet. But they can make sure it isn't publicly visible, cool, or easy to do anymore.
Smokers are supposed to be forced into enclosed, limited rooms just for smoking, separating it from all other activities.
The goal is to break the cycle that gets young people to start smoking.
Imagine having this attitude towards every other vice..
If said vice causes lung cancer I'm perfectly hapoy with that attidude.
I'd rather be near someone vaping than a drunk person.
The vaping I can walk away from, but a drunk driver could kill me.
I find public drunkenness to be more deadly and problematic than vaping, but that just my opinion regarding public health issues.
I sure as hell don't like breathing secondhand smoke while I walk down the street. If you want to breathe petroleum that's on you but do it where you don't give secondhand cancer to others, thanks.
Not really a non smokers problem to figure out your addictions short comings.
why don't you like smoking at home, pray tell?
just open a window, my dude.
Smoke detectors don't respond to cigarette smoke, unless you cram one smoker per m² in a room and have them all smoke half a pack, with all windows shut.
I have seen indoor parties at flats with smoke detectors, which never went off, despite heavy smoking indoors. Meanwhile something burning on the stove set off the detector, as it should.
Maybe try to not smoke. No need to say thank you. Say it to your lungs.
I quit for several years and eventually started again, realising that quitting smokes is not for me. I'm living a fairly stressful life. I need my occasional 5 mins of peace and quiet every now and then during the day. Thank you very much.
Sounds like shitty smoke detectors to me.
I used to smoke heavily for years, was always too lazy to go out on the balcony, sometimes forgot to open the windows for days and my detectors only went off once when I vaped so heavily my apartment looked like a disco dance floor (from fog machines).
Nowhere; it's bad for you and others
How about minding your own biz? :)
I would, but there are those asshats smoking near buildings forcing me to inhale their shit.
Are smokers "minding their own biz" when I walk through a cloud of nasty carcinogens they they made?
Depends. I walk a good amount of meters away from anyone near bus stops or towards the designated smoking areas at train stations while I'm waiting for my public transport connections. Maybe you're dealing with inconsiderate cunts in your area.
I have found basically all smokers are inconsiderate cunts. I had to put a no smoking sign in the window at the back door to my business because people from the bar next door are smoking near it and the smoke is drawn into my building through vents. Once the sign went up the smoking increased, I had to remove the vents. And now every day when I leave work there is a pile of butts at my back door.
Fuck smoking and inconsiderate cunt smokers. Smoke in your own house.
Aaand blocked for being an insufferable asshat yourself. Cheers, mate! :)
I am definitely going to lose sleep over this one.
Unless you can walk away 10m+ (depending on if kids are there) you might want to reconsider smoking at all in those places
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11869-023-01435-9
The article says the focus is on kid-friendly outdoor areas like parks and near schools, which makes total sense as a place to start. Doesn't seem like it's everywhere outside being banned. And generally encouraging people to not take up smoking in the first place is wonderful. For people who smoke, quitting is the biggest thing they can do to improve their health.
I don't know, sounds like their problem.
Picking up smoking is a conscious decision.
Where heroin addicts supposed to shoot some smack in their veins?
While they also look unpleasant, at least I am not forced to inhale their shit.
Frankly if smokers were more considerate I wouldn't be that bitter.
The article uses the phrase “key outdoor areas” so I would assume this means you can’t smoke in a crowded plaza but you can still do so on your own balcony or whatever.
Cigarettes, sure, but including ecigs sounds unreasonable? I quit smoking couple of years ago and regular cigarette smell makes me gag but Iqos and liquid vapes are not that offensive outdoors.
yes they are. i just want to breathe air.
Honestly I hate clouds of strawberry hitting me even more than regular cigarette smoke
Seems like it's more about discouraging any tobacco use, rather than how unpleasant it is to others.
To be fair, ecigs don't use tobacco. They may have nicotine added to the liquid, but no tobacco.
Why don't we start by banning outdoor use of fossil fuels? :)
fuck yes.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I'm a non-smoker who hates cigarette (well, any kind of) smoke, and despite getting permanently nose-hit by CoVid, I can still smell cigarette smoke from miles away.
As much as it sounds lovely at first, this is restricting smokers way too much. If, as a European you find it ridiculous that you have to hide your alcohol bottle/flask/can with a paper bag in public in parts of the US, then this is even more restrictive. Apart from the dismissive answers to the question "Where should I smoke now", the only typical answer is "at home". Now, if these smokers live together with non-smokers then this is either forcing them to smoke under their nose or find the nearest place where it is allowed (good luck).
On the other hand, fuck yes. It is forbidden in bus/metro stops where I live, but not in the narrow, enclosed passageway leading out of the stop. Therefore, smokers get out of the train, start smoking as soon as they leave the stop (to be honest: right in the stop), and the two slow walkers right in front of me prevent me from overtaking, and the same is true behind me - so I have to inhale that shit while we walk along that long passageway. And not like it was much different on a busy pavement, in outside seating, etc.
If they actually disposed correctly of their cancer-sticks I would prefer to be a ban only on urban areas. But seeing how the entire floor is littered by the paper dildos, I think smokers haven't shown they can responsibly smoke in non-urban areas. Fuck them.
I'm a former smoker, I miss them like I miss my first true love. Every now and then I still go for my pack and its been 5 years. I STILL chew nicotine gum but stop being pussies and fucking ban cigarettes. Stop trying to nudge smoking into this shitty little niche, Stealing peoples liberties inch by fucking inch is a bitch move.
Either be willing to fight the fight with the addicts and big tobacco or not.
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