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Primes (lemmy.ml)
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[-] CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 years ago

2 may be the only even prime - that is it's the only prime divisible by 2 - but 3 is the only prime divisible by 3 and 5 is the only prime divisible by 5, so I fail to see how this is unique.

[-] Huschke@programming.dev 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Exactly, "even" litterally means divisible by 2. We could easily come up with a term for divisible by 3 or 5. Maybe there even is one. So yeah 2 is nothing special.

[-] salty_mariner@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

"Threven" has a nice ring to it now that I think of it.

[-] jwmgregory@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago
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[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] Severed_Fate@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

2 is a prime though isn't it

[-] csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 58 points 2 years ago

Yes, but it's the only even one. Making him the odd man out

[-] Gap@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

It is but if feels wrong

[-] ipha@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It pretends to be prime and we all go along with it to avoid hurting its feeling.

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

Even vs odd numbers are not as important as we think they are. We could do the same to any other prime number. 2 is the only even prime (meaning it is divisible by 2) 3 is the only number divisible by 3. 5 is the only prime divisible by 5. When you think about the definition of prime numbers, this is a trivial conclusion.

Tldr: be mindful of your conventions.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, but not really.

With 2, the natural numbers divide into equal halves. One of which we call odd and the other even. And we use this property a lot in math.

If you do it with 3, then one group is going to be a third and the other two thirds (ignore that both sets are infinite, you may assume a continuous finite subset of the natural numbers for this argument).

And this imbalance only gets worse with bigger primes.

So yes, 2 is special. It is the first and smallest prime and it is the number that primarily underlies concepts such as balance, symmetry, duplication and equality.

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

But why would you divide the numbers to two sets? It is reasonable for when considering 2, but if you really want to generalize, for 3 you’d need to divide the numbers to three sets. One that divide by 3, one that has remainder of 1 and one that has remainder of 2. This way you have 3 symmetric sets of numbers and you can give them special names and find their special properties and assign importance to them. This can also be done for 5 with 5 symmetric sets, 7, 11, and any other prime number.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Then you have one set that contains multiples of 3 and two sets that do not, so it is not symmetric.

[-] rbhfd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You'd have one set that are multiples of 3, one set that are multiples of 3 plus 1, and one stat that are multiples of 3 minus 1 (or plus 2)

[-] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

Not sure about how relevant this in reality, but when it comes to alternating series, this might be relevant. For example the Fourier series expansion of cosine and other trig function?

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But then it is more natural to use the complex version of the Fourier series, which has a neat symmetric notation

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[-] treefingers@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, but you’re describing cyclical groups

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

The meme works better if it's 1 instead of 2. 1 is mostly not considered a prime number because a bunch of theorems like the fundamental theorem of arithmetic would have to be reworked to say "prime numbers greater than 1." However, just because 1 is not a prime number doesn't mean it's a composite number, so 1 is a number that is neither prime nor composite.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

2 is a prime number, but shit ton of theorems only apply to odd prime numbers, and a lot of other theorems treat 2 as a special separate case, because it behaves weirdly.

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

I don't get it, why does adding a hand move to the next prime?

[-] MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

🚨 NERD ALERT🚨

Go define a vector space, nerd.

Go compute the p value of you being cool

Go integrate f(x)= 1/x on the domain (-1,1)

This is meme-ville population: me

Take a hike.

[-] MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Spoiler: p < 0.05

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

what why i'm serious i don't get why the hands decrement the numbers

[-] MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

I'm picking on you because you're looking for patterns where there are none. It's a common meme format, and it just so happens that op wrote it like that.

Was trying for absurd. Didn't mean to offend

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

what I don't get is what the meme format's supposed to mean, I can't even find the name of it online

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
  • let V be you mom’s vagina, a vector space over the field of pubes. We define my d as a vector such that d is in V. Thus my dick is in your mom’s vagina.

  • In this vector space p values are not defined, but I can assure you that my pp is > 9000.

  • The integral of f(x)=1/x from -1 to 1 does not converge, just like how your father is never coming back from from buying milk. The principal value of that integral tho is 0, just like the amount of hugs you got as a kid.

  • math is cool, you just too stupid to get it.

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[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure that when we plug in a correction factor for the relative age of the Fediverse userbase, "today's lucky 10,000" becomes more like "today's lucky 10 million"

[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It's just the way the power rangers combined their forces

[-] NewEnglandRedshirt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah? What about 0? And 1?

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

Commonly primes are defined as natural numbers greater than 1 that have only trivial divisors. Your definition kinda works, but 1 can be infinitely many prime factors since every number has 1^n with n ∈ ℕ as a prime factor. And your definition is kinda misleading when generalising primes.

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Isn't 1^n just 1? As in not a new number. I'd argue that 1*1==1*1*1. They're not some subtly different ones. I agree that the concept of primes only becomes useful for natural numbers >1.
How is my definition misleading?

[-] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is no new number, though you can add infinitely many ones to the prime factorisation if you want to. In general we don't append 1 to the prime factorisation because it is trivial.

In commutative Algebra, a unitary commutative ring can have multiple units (in the multiplicative group of the reals only 1 is a unit, x*1=x, in this ring you have several "ones"). There are elemrnts in these rings which we call prime, because their prime factorisation only contains trivial prime factors, but of course all units of said ring are prime factors. Hence it is a bit quirky to define ordinary primes they way you did, it is not about the amount of prime factors, it is about their properties.

Edit: also important to know: (ℝ,×), the multiplicative goup of the reals, is a commutative, unitary ring, which happens to have only one unit, so our ordinary primes are a special case of the general prime elements.

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Oof, I remember why I didn't study math 😅
But thanks for the explanation

[-] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, higher math is a total brainfuck :D You're welcome.

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[-] T0Keh@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

There is multiple things wrong here.

  1. 1 is not a prime number because it is a unit and hence by definition excluded from being a prime.

  2. You probably don't mean units but identity elements:

  • A unit is an element that has a multiplicative inverse
  • An identity element is an element 1 such that 1x =x1 = x for all x in your ring

There are more units in R than just 1, take for example -1(unless your ring has characteristic 2 in which case thi argument not always works; however for the case of real numbers this is not relevant). But there is always just one identity element, so there is at most one "1" in any ring. Indeed suppose you have two identities e,f. Then e = ef = f because e,f both are identities.

  1. The property "their prime factorisaton only contains trivial prime factors" is a circular definition as this requires knowledge about "being prime". A prime (in Z) is normally defined as an irreducible element, i.e. p is a prime number if p=ab implies that either a or b is a unit (which is exactly the property of only having the factors 1 and p itself (up to a unit)).

  2. (R,×) is not a ring (at least not in a way I am aware of) and not even a group (unless you exclude 0).

  3. What are those "general prime elements"? Do you mean prime elements in a ring (or irreducible elements?)? Or something completely different?

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 5 points 2 years ago

0 has all the factors. Itself and any other number.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

Put them in a sieve of Eratosthenes and see what happens.

Spoiler, they aren't.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago
[-] teancom459@mastodon.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago

@lowleveldata @HiddenLayer5

You asking why 9 wasn’t at the party?

It’s because he’s a square

[-] Gap@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago
[-] huf@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

9 isnt prime, it's divisible by 7

just not very well...

[-] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago
[-] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] EunieIsTheBus@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Two is the oddest prime of them all.

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