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[-] lemmyng@beehaw.org 106 points 2 years ago

Spez: this will blow over Also spez: this cannot be allowed to continue

[-] Toxic_Tiger@beehaw.org 41 points 2 years ago

Schrödinger's Protesters.

[-] OofShoot@beehaw.org 33 points 2 years ago

First rule of propaganda: the enemy is both terrifying and weak.

[-] retronautickz@beehaw.org 77 points 2 years ago

Ah, so the blackout isn't as "unsuccessful" as he wants people to believe it to be...

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

Yeah, really. Didn't the actual blackout technically end a few days ago? Seems that it didn't just go away.

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[-] AllonzeeLV@vlemmy.net 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've seen some here openly despair that leaving reddit didn't do anything.

Spez, CEO of Reddit and former mod of the r/jailbait subreddit losing his shit very publically for days proves otherwise.

...And it's also a reminder that the reddit community we loved has already been destroyed by ownership, anyone returning would be returning to a shadow that disdains its own users and works to disempower them with every update. They're even undeleting user's deleted posts. If they can't respect users enough to be able to delete their own content, why enrich them?

[-] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

Holy shit was he seriously a mod of that subreddit? Good lord...

[-] wjs018@beehaw.org 41 points 2 years ago

Back in the olden days of reddit, mods didn't need to accept their position. So, it was a troll tactic to promote people to moderator of a controversial sub and then take a screenshot. I have no knowledge of spez's moderating history, but I imagine this is the most likely scenario.

[-] mobyduck648@beehaw.org 16 points 2 years ago

If I let a bunch of crackheads live in my house and endlessly defended their presence until I was forced by public pressure to reluctantly send them away the shit they got up to in the interim was at least partially my fault in my opinion.

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

The real crime was how he didn't do anything about it once he knew about it. Same with many other questionable subs, perhaps he enjoyed them or maybe he didn't, but he sure tolerated them being around polluting the waters. They brought in traffic, aka money, and that's all he cares about.

[-] coldredlight@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago

That may be what happened but Reddit management definitely knew about what was going on because they created a special "Pimp Daddy" trophy just for that one mod as a kind of public reward for his work. Reddit was complicit to some degree.

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[-] TheDefiant604@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

I'm sure restoring deleted data will go over really well in Europe.

[-] Khalic@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago

Already sent my GDPR request for my data and complete data deletion. In a few month, I will just have to look for my posts and comments, kindly provided by reddit, and denounce/sue them if they didn’t comply. That should sit well with investors ;-)

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[-] keeb420@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

it took them less then a week to go from "were a community" to "shut up and do as your told". fuck that and them. whether kbin or lemmy works out only the future knows so far but im done with reddit.

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[-] Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

Was he really a mod of r/jailbait?

Man, what a pathetic creep. Fuck u/spez.

[-] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

Even if the protest fails to produce capitulation from Reddit, it still effectively drove a fuckton of traffic into the Fediverse, which is a goal worth pursuing in itself. If corporations won't comply, then building workable alternatives is option 2.

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[-] Bells 46 points 2 years ago

The implication here that the blackout was mods on a power trip when in my experience, most subreddits were already put to a vote, and the users voted for this.

[-] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

He realized he needed to make a push in the press, so he resorted to the only way he apparently knows how to communicate: lying.

I already had it mulling in my head privately, but this shit conches it for me: spez has to go. He broke community trust, and continues to more and more as this thing drags out.

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[-] Snapz@beehaw.org 45 points 2 years ago

Not for nothing, but a key feature of fascism is that you're "enemy" is both weak and strong at the same time.

So the blackout is not a big deal AND the mods coordinating the blackout are too powerful...

ACAB - All CEOs Are Bastards

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[-] njm1314@beehaw.org 37 points 2 years ago

I really, and truly, don't get why there are any mods left after this fiasco. If I were them I'd take down all the CSS and all the bots and all the things I'd worked on over the years and just quit. Reddit completely exists on the back of unpaid labor from the mods and they treat them like garbage. Not to mention that the overwhelming response I'm seeing from users is they despise the mods as well. So why are they even in this thing?

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[-] manxu@beehaw.org 31 points 2 years ago

I really wish users, who are the only ones that bring real value to a site like Reddit, could vote out the CEO. I guess we are voting with our feet, but it's a shame that we have to go through this stupid lather/rinse/repeat cycle with every user contribution site.

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[-] coffeetest@lemmy.one 28 points 2 years ago

It is almost like we can't trust a for-profit owned social media site to have our interests as their first priority. I don't know what this CEO is doing but it's hard to see a bright future for Reddit in any case. Its too bad for the community but it is really too bad for those working there.

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[-] Gollan@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago

So what will happen is that mods who enforce unpopular rules in a subreddit, such as "no NSFW", will get voted out. This can't possibly go wrong. /s

[-] cavemeat@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago

A lot people here have been saying similar stuff. Dedicated mods being replaced by scabs isn't gonna do any good for those communities...but maybe their degradation is a good thing.

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[-] HisNoodlyServant@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago

Funny. That is a feature I wanted for a long time. Question is how in the world will it be implemented. Probably going to pull another Elon and only allow Reddit premium members to vote. Kinda shows the blackout is working and he is trying to find a 'good' PR way to weasel his way out.

[-] anonionfinelyminced@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

Bots will vote in the mods they want.

[-] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

It sounds like he wants to replace that “landed gentry” with a landed gentry loyal to him.

Very good and very Democratic. Stable genius level.

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[-] sjolsen@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

Based on the reporting two things seem clear to me: (1) the commercial value of Reddit is fundamentally a question of selling data access; and (2) the major subreddits will be made to continue operations come Hell or high water.

When (not if) Reddit circumvents the blackout by force, the obvious next move is to poison the well—make the data worthless by drowning it in noise (AI-generated, if you've a flair for the poetic). I doubt that will happen since (a) it would require coordination among a substantially larger and more dispersed userbase than the moderators and (b) it's something of a nuclear option, but it's an interesting idea.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago

poison the well

It's already happening. /r/pics restricted the sub to sexy pics of John Oliver only after a poll.

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[-] Illidariadude@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Interesting that he mentions that CEOs can be removed by their shareholders, which is quite similar to how reddit currently works-mods can be removed by reddit itself. The "users voting mods out" analogue in the business world would be employees having to power to vote out and replace their CEOs.

Person with power: CEO::mod

Those who make money off of them: shareholders::reddit

Those who provide the content: workers::posters/commenters

End users: customers::advertisers

Sounds to me like spez just made a pretty compelling aruguement that his employees should be able to vote him out!

*edited for formatting

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[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago

Such a laugh and after putting in arbitray rules himself. If he is such a democratic guy maybe he and the board shoud be able to be voted out by the membership too.

[-] ozoned@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago

Beatings will continue until morale improves!

The king is replacing his minions with more acceptable minions. So most likely inept as well. Can't sew how poorly this'll go.

LONG LIVE THE FEDIVERSE!

[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago

I do think it must be hard for some of the mods. Me I can just walk away from this madness. Mods if you have put your heart and soul into it... well harder. Still how can it be much clearer. Time to move on for them too.

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[-] ipkpjersi@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What an absolutely toxic CEO lmao he is so clueless. He doesn't realize the community and the volunteers (moderators) have all of the power. The website is nothing without that.

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[-] SiioSytry@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

blowing up their site expected with people being friends with elon musk

[-] nhgeek@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

This whole thing is a shame and I still am going through a morning period about it. Reddit will persist in some diminished state. I can only hope the quality communities and people move here, and that Lemmy rapidly improves (though it is very usable now). The trends so far are good. The value of social media lies in the user base.

Let this be a lesson to all who produce and manage content (that's us users and mods). Don't use platforms that are destined to monetize your data at your expense.

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[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago

Funny how that works. And here i was, thinking users made these communities and decided by themselves if they wanna be public or private.

Weird that he suddenly wants to change the system.

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[-] iamhazel@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

And I don't see a single thing about it on r/all. Or anything related to the blackouts.

[-] jonahan@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago

Hmm wonder where he got that voting idea from????

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Article says 3500 subs participated... More than double that did, hell more than that are still down right now.

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