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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 87 points 8 months ago

Surrealism is always antifascist. Cruelty and absurdity are two sides of the same coin, or perhaps the same side of two coins.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

Your metaphor is not working. Cruelty and absurdity are Ying and Yang?

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

It's a surrealist metaphor

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When you write a declaration of peace with the blood of your enemies.

"Sir this is a rescue for puppies, why did you make a flag out of their pelt?"

[-] Onionguy@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

There's absurdity in cruelty... there's cruelty in absurdity... kinda works... like a dark yin yang.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

You don't find it so? Maybe I read too much Vonnegut as a kid, it seems clear to me.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You say surrealism is anti-fascist. Then you say cruelty and absurdity are the same thing (two sides of the same coin). Then you try to clarify by saying they are two separate things but have a commonality (two coins same side). I think ying/yang is more fitting, and quicker to the punch, in that there can be a little cruelty in absurdity and vise versa, which you were dancing around with your ill fitting metaphor. So, yes, I don't think so. Clarity is in the eye of the beer holder.

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[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I actually think I see a little of what you're getting at, but maybe it's just my willful interpretation.

The absurd is the gap between what we expect to happen, and what actually happens. We expect to go to work today, it'll be mundane and boring, and then an asteroid hits the road and we can't go in today. How absurd.

Cruelty is often a tool people use to gain control. The absurd by definition is outside of our control. I can see how these could be related in some way

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Surrealism is always antifascist.

I dunno. Doublethink is pretty surreal, but it supports fascism. If you're just talking about art, I think you could make the case that the Italian Futurists were at least Surrealist-adjacent, and some of them supported fascism.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

I'd argue semantically that surrealism is that which lies under reality whereas Doublethink (and other Orwellian language) lies over reality

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

You may be thinking of 'Pataphysics:

the science of that which is superinduced upon metaphysics, whether within or beyond the latter's limitations, extending as far beyond metaphysics as the latter extends beyond physics

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 13 points 8 months ago

Absurdity is like seeing your cat go "mrwn! mrwn!" at the passing plane, then suddenly flying and catching it. Then cruelty is what your cat does with the passengers.

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[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 66 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Suspicousmaxxing to gaslight the authorities and waste their time is a very wholesome thing to do

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

This reminded me of a glass artist named Josh Simpson who is known for his glass spheres he calls “planets” that have amazingly complex scenes in them. For over two decades he’s had what he calls the “Infinity Project” where he encourages people to hide them out in the open where folks are unlikely to find one. If you submit a proposal to him that he likes then he’ll send you two of his smaller planets, one for you to hide and one to keep for yourself.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

That's so beautiful and amazing! Love it. I'll have to think of a proposal to send him

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

This is a great illustration of Chaotic Neutral

[-] superkret@feddit.org 32 points 8 months ago

I'm gonna bring a purple stone to the Fusion Festival next year in your honor.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

They really just pulled an uno reverse on the Stasi lmao

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Now THIS is art of a very high caliber, indeed!
It was just a public visual detail that elicited a stupid response from the very stupid people, and probably some delight from the rest of the population.

If I was one of the chief stassi goons in town, my response would have been "counter-intelligence art" or "counter-art", painting MORE stones purple and even other colors, so that whatever secret message the original ones were conveying would be confused, drowned out.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

After many years the stasi suddenly realise they have created the worlds largest pride celebration.

Mission accomplished.

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[-] don@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago

No one actually cared, but at least they felt good about painting rocks.

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 65 points 8 months ago

So, you know more about this. Great! Can you please tell me about that story?

[-] don@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago

Sure! Like they said, it just felt good to do something that they felt the police couldn’t control or understand. From OP’s perspective, they needed to be able to exercise control over those that were controlling OP. Easy to understand.

That said, the police and Stasi are (given the time) tasked with prosecuting and attacking far more than what OP could have known about, and given the relatively playful nature of children in even some of the most dire circumstances, the police and Stasi didn’t have limitless resources to chase down something that, over time, produced no significant threat.

Both the police and the Stasi were wary and paranoid, but even they have their limits, and they weren’t completely stupid. They knew they had to devote their resources to far likelier threats.

As OP said, she wanted to feel in control, and no one can really blame them. OP felt good, and that’s what matters.

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

Thanks for your answer. Sorry, I really don’t want to come across like a duchebag asshole. But this sounds more like a general guess of what has happened or how the Stasi might have operated in your opinion (plus some armchair psychology that kinda rubs me the wrong way).

I literally just woke up and thought you might have some actual insight on this particular case?

[-] Zidane@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

As an armchair this also rubs me the wrong way

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 18 points 8 months ago

Can you rub me the right way? Armchair?

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 9 points 8 months ago
[-] Zidane@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[-] Yurgenst@sh.itjust.works 18 points 8 months ago

This is like what you get when you ask chat gpt to summarize something 😂

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

Well I was there, and I can tell you the Stasi were confused af. Got a nice giggle out of it

[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 8 months ago

You are not criticizing the OP, I guess, because you acknowledge their point, that it was meaningless, but it was entertaining to distract the Stasi. But you are criticizing the OP, because you think the Stasi were so competent?

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[-] Absolute_Axoltl@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago

It's fascinating that people have found your comment inherently negative when it is literally just the truth.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Some people just want to watch the world scratch its head in bewilderment.

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[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Link to the original post (on Fesshole's official Mastodon because fuck Twitter) - https://mastodon.social/@fesshole/113069359291052427

[-] SandroWolf@feddit.org 5 points 8 months ago
[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

That’s really cool but in German so no idea what I just watched

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Click "CC" in top right for closed captions, then click gear, ask it to change the captions to auto translate to English. Basically she's saying there's a guy dressed in a silly outfit (in video) walking around and no one knows why. Some people are scared.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's a neat story. The Nazis did some terrible things and it actually makes me happy to know that somewhere there was a Nazis official who was baffled

Edit: wrong side and time

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

The Stasi was the secret police of communist East Germany, not the Nazis.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago

Oh, you are right. I suppose I should learn my history

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