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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 244 points 10 months ago

Thank fucking god.

I got sick of the overhyped tech bros pumping AI into everything with no understanding of it....

But then I got way more sick of everyone else thinking they're clowning on AI when in reality they're just demonstrating an equal sized misunderstanding of the technology in a snarky pessimistic format.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago

I’m more annoyed that Nvidia is looked at like some sort of brilliant strategist. It’s a GPU company that was lucky enough to be around when two new massive industries found an alternative use for graphics hardware.

They happened to be making pick axes in California right before some prospectors found gold.

And they don’t even really make pick axes, TSMC does. They just design them.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

They just design them.

It's not trivial though. They also managed to lock dev with CUDA.

That being said I don't think they were "just" lucky, I think they built their luck through practices the DoJ is currently investigating for potential abuse of monopoly.

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[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

They didn't just "happen to be around". They created the entire ecosystem around machine learning while AMD just twiddled their thumbs. There is a reason why no one is buying AMD cards to run AI workloads.

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[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 57 points 10 months ago

As I job-hunt, every job listed over the past year has been "AI-drive [something]" and I'm really hoping that trend subsides.

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

"This is an mid level position requiring at least 7 years experience developing LLMs." -Every software engineer job out there.

[-] figjam@midwest.social 33 points 10 months ago

That was cloud 7 years ago and blockchain 4

[-] EldritchFeminity 24 points 10 months ago

Reminds me of when I read about a programmer getting turned down for a job because they didn't have 5 years of experience with a language that they themselves had created 1 to 2 years prior.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 98 points 10 months ago

Shed a tear, if you wish, for Nvidia founder and Chief Executive Jenson Huang, whose fortune (on paper) fell by almost $10 billion that day.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 43 points 10 months ago

I’m sure he won’t mind. Worrying about that doesn’t sound like working.

I work from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed. I work seven days a week. When I'm not working, I'm thinking about working, and when I'm working, I'm working. I sit through movies, but I don't remember them because I'm thinking about work.

- Huang on his 14 hour workdays

It is one way to live.

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That sounds like mental illness.

ETA: Replace "work" in that quote with practically any other activity/subject, whether outlandish or banal.

I sit through movies but I don't remember them because I'm thinking about baking cakes.

I sit through movies but I don't remember them because I'm thinking about traffic patterns.

I sit through movies but I don't remember them because I'm thinking about cannibalism.

I sit through movies but I don't remember them because I'm thinking about shitposting.

Obsessed with something? At best, you're "quirky" (depending on what you're obsessed with). Unless it's money. Being obsessed with that is somehow virtuous.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

Valid argument for sure

It would be sad if therapists kept telling him that but he could never remember

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 83 points 10 months ago

My only real hope out of this is that that copilot button on keyboards becomes the 486 turbo button of our time.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Welp, it was 'fun' while it lasted. Time for everyone to adjust their expectations to much more humble levels than what was promised and move on to the next sceme. After Metaverse, NFTs and 'Don't become a programmer, AI will steal your job literally next week!11', I'm eager to see what they come up with next. And with eager I mean I'm tired. I'm really tired and hope the economy just takes a damn break from breaking things.

[-] Fetus@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

I just hope I can buy a graphics card without having to sell organs some time in the next two years.

[-] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Don't count on it. It turns out that the sort of stuff that graphics cards do is good for lots of things, it was crypto, then AI and I'm sure whatever the next fad is will require a GPU to run huge calculations.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

But if it doesn't disrupt it isn't worth it!

/s

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[-] 4vgj0e@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I find it insane when "tech bros" and AI researchers at major tech companies try to justify the wasting of resources (like water and electricity) in order to achieve "AGI" or whatever the fuck that means in their wildest fantasies.

These companies have no accountability for the shit that they do and consistently ignore all the consequences their actions will cause for years down the road.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 33 points 10 months ago

It's research. Most of it never pans out, so a lot of it is "wasteful". But if we didn't experiment, we wouldn't find the things that do work.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What’s funny is that we already have general intelligence in billions of brains. What tech bros want is a general intelligence slave.

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[-] Teal@lemm.ee 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Too much optimism and hype may lead to the premature use of technologies that are not ready for prime time.

— Daron Acemoglu, MIT

Preach!

[-] Grofit@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

A lot of the AI boom is like the DotCom boom of the Web era. The bubble burst and a lot of companies lost money but the technology is still very much important and relevant to us all.

AI feels a lot like that, it's here to stay, maybe not in th ways investors are touting, but for voice, image, video synthesis/processing it's an amazing tool. It also has lots of applications in biotech, targetting systems, logistics etc.

So I can see the bubble bursting and a lot of money being lost, but that is the point when actually useful applications of the technology will start becoming mainstream.

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[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Personally I can't wait for a few good bankruptcies so I can pick up a couple of high end data centre GPUs for cents on the dollar

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Search Nvidia p40 24gb on eBay, 200$ each and surprisingly good for selfhosted llm, if you plan to build array of gpus then search for p100 16gb, same price but unlike p40, p100 supports nvlink, and these 16gb is hbm2 memory with 4096bit bandwidth so it's still competitive in llm field while p40 24gb is gddr5 so it's good point is amount of memory for money it cost but it's rather slow compared to p100 and compared to p100 it doesn't support nvlink

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

FMO is the best explanation of this psychosis and then of course denial by people who became heavily invested in it. Stuff like LLMs or ConvNets (and the likes) can already be used to do some pretty amazing stuff that we could not do a decade ago, there is really no need to shit rainbows and puke glitter all over it. I am also not against exploring and pushing the boundaries, but when you explore a boundary while pretending like you have already crossed it, that is how you get bubbles. And this again all boils down to appeasing some cancerous billionaire shareholders so they funnel down some money to your pockets.

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[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 48 points 10 months ago
[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

But the trillion dollar valued Nvidia...

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[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 30 points 9 months ago

Argh, after 25 years in tech I am surprised this keeps surprising you.

We’ve crested for sure. AI isn’t going to solve everything. AI stock will fall. Investor pressure to put AI into everything will subside.

The we will start looking at AI as a cost benefit analysis. We will start applying it where it makes sense. Things will get optimised. Real profit and long term change will happen over 5-10 years. And afterwards, the utter magical will seem mundane while everyone is chasing the next hype cycle.

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[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 28 points 9 months ago

Hopefully this means the haters will shut up and we can get on with using it for useful stuff

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Shitty useless pictures each costing kilowatt hours.

[-] CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

I mean, machine learning and AI does have benefits especially in research in the medical field. The consumer AI products are just stupid though.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

You're no no longer using the term Luddite on us! Character development!

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[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 25 points 10 months ago

A.I., Assumed Intelligence

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

More like PISS, a Plagiarized Information Synthesis System

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

It's like the least popular opinion I have here on Lemmy, but I assure you, this is the begining.

Yes, we'll see a dotcom style bust. But it's not like the world today wasn't literally invented in that time. Do you remember where image generation was 3 years ago? It was a complete joke compared to a year ago, and today, fuck no one here would know.

When code generation goes through that same cycle, you can put out an idea in plain language, and get back code that just "does" it.

I have no idea what that means for the future of my humanity.

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[-] LemmyBe@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wether we like it or not AI is here to stay, and in 20-30 years, it’ll be as embedded in our lives as computers and smartphones are now.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Well, they also kept telling investors all they need to simulate a human brain was to simulate the amount of neurons in a human brain...

The stupidly rich loved that, because they want computer backups for "immortality". And they'd dump billions of dollars into making that happen

About two months ago tho, we found out that the brain uses microtubules in the brain to put tryptophan into super position, and it can maintain that for like a crazy amount of time, like longer than we can do in a lab.

The only argument against a quantum component for human consciousness, was people thought there was no way to have even just get regular quantum entanglement in a human brain.

We'll be lucky to be able to simulate that stuff in 50 years, but it's probably going to be even longer.

Every billionaire who wanted to "live forever" this way, just got aged out. So they'll throw their money somewhere else now.

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[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Wall Street has already milked “the pump” now they short it and put out articles like this

[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Have any regular users actually looked at the prices of the "AI services" and what they actually cost?

I'm a writer. I've looked at a few of the AI services aimed at writers. These companies literally think they can get away with "Just Another Streaming Service" pricing, in an era where people are getting really really sceptical about subscribing to yet another streaming service and cancelling the ones they don't care about that much. As a broke ass writer, I was glad that, with NaNoWriMo discount, I could buy Scrivener for €20 instead of regular price of €40. [note: regular price of Scrivener is apparently €70 now, and this is pretty aggravating.] So why are NaNoWriMo pushing ProWritingAid, a service that runs €10-€12 per month? This is definitely out of the reach of broke ass writers.

Someone should tell the AI companies that regular people don't want to subscribe to random subscription services any more.

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