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[-] FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 237 points 2 months ago

i always thought /usr stood for "user". Please tell me I'm not the only one

[-] Kuunha@lemmy.eco.br 78 points 2 months ago

Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie created Unix on a PDP-7 in 1969. Well around 1971 they upgraded to a PDP-11 with a pair of RK05 disk packs (1.5 megabytes each) for storage.

When the operating system grew too big to fit on the first RK05 disk pack (their root filesystem) they let it leak into the second one, which is where all the user home directories lived (which is why the mount was called /usr). They replicated all the OS directories under there (/bin, /sbin, /lib, /tmp...) and wrote files to those new directories because their original disk was out of space. When they got a third disk, they mounted it on /home and relocated all the user directories to there so the OS could consume all the space on both disks and grow to THREE WHOLE MEGABYTES. And thereafter /usr is used to store user programs while /home is used to store user data.

source: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

THREE WHOLE MEGABYTES

Me in 2024 holding a 4TB NVMe stick: Still not enough (it's never enough)

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[-] lascapi@jlai.lu 63 points 2 months ago

You're not the only one 😅 🙋

[-] superkret@feddit.org 40 points 2 months ago

I thought it was United System Resources.
And I still don't know what's the point in separating /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
Also /mnt and /media
Or why it's /root and not /home/root

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 44 points 2 months ago

Mostly historical reasons, /home was often a network mounted directory, but /root must be local.

And only regular users have their home in /home

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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago

/home is often on a separate volume. You’d want root to be available in a maintenance situation where /home may not be mounted.

I don't recall the reasons for the addition but /media is newer than /mnt.

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[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 22 points 2 months ago

And I still don't know what's the point in separating /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.

This goes back to the olden days when disk space was measured in kilo and megabytes. /sbin/ and /usr/sbin have the files needed to start a bare bone Unix/Linux system, so that you could boot from a 800kb floppy and mount all other directories via network or other storage devices as needed.

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[-] jacobc436@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

They hold "system binaries" meant for root user. It's not a hard distinction but many if not most Linux fundamentals have their roots in very early computing, mainframes, Bell and Xerox, and this good idea has been carried into the here&now. Not sure about the provenance of this one, but it makes sense. isn't /mnt /media different between distros? These aren't hard and fast rules - some distros choose to keep files elsewhere from the "standard".

/bin and /usr/bin, one is typically a symbolic link to another - they used to be stored on disks of different size, cost, and speed.

https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s16.html

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5915/difference-between-bin-and-usr-bin

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It's always been for USeR binaries. It's the first time I've seen this bizarre backronym (40 years of Unix here).

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 113 points 2 months ago

"Linux File Systems"

*List of root directories*

Uh, where are the file systems? EXT4... BTRFS... FAT32...

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 months ago

That’s what I thought too. This is directory structure, not file systems.

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[-] callcc@lemmy.world 87 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
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[-] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 81 points 2 months ago

I don’t get why this sort of picture always gets posted and upvoted when it’s wrong for most distros nowadays.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Can you recommend one that is correct? I use pop_os (Ubuntu) and Arch. Kinda curious about either one

[-] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not aware of any correct pictures, but I can tell you what's wrong with this one

  • /usr: explaining it as "Unix System Resources" is a bit vague
  • /bin: /bin is usually a symlink to /usr/bin
  • /sbin: /sbin is usually a symlink to /usr/sbin, distros like Fedora are also looking into merging sbin into bin
  • /opt: many, I'd say most, "add-on applications" put themselves in bin
  • /media: /media is usually a symlink to /run/media, also weird to mention CD-ROMs when flash drives and other forms of storage get mounted here by default
  • /mnt: i would disagree about the temporary part, as I mentioned before, stuff like flash drives are usually mounted in /run/media by default
  • /root: the root user is usually not enabled on home systems
  • /lib: /lib is usually a symlink to /usr/lib

I would also like the mention that the FHS standard wasn't designed to be elegant, well thought out system. It mainly documents how the filesystem has been traditionally laid out. I forget which folder(s), but once a new folder has been made just because the main hard drive in a developer's system filled up so they created a new folder named something different on a secondary hard drive.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

wait /usr doesn't mean user?

/etc has to be the worst name in there

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

usr does mean user. It was the place for user managed stuff originally. The home directory used to be a sub directory of the usr directory.

The meaning and purpose of unix directories has very organically evolved. Heck, it's still evolving. For example, the new .config directory in the home directory.

[-] JATtho@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For example, the new .config directory in the home directory.

I hope slowly but surely no program will ever dump its config(s) as ~/.xyz.conf (or even worse in a program specific ~/.thisapp/; The ~/.config/ scheme works as long as the programs don't repeat the bad way of dumping files as ~/.config/thisconfig.txt. (I'm looking at you kde folks..) A unique dir in .config directory should be mandatory.

If I ever need to shed some cruft accumulated over the years in ~/.config/ this would make it a lot easier.

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[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago

I wonder why that isn't /cfg? Is there a historical reason?

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

According to this, it's been around since the 70's and was originally just a catch-all for files that didn't fit in the other default directories, but over time has come to be mostly used for config files. I assume it would cause utter mayhem to try and change the name now so I guess it just sticks. Someone suggested "Edit To Configure" as a backronym to try and make it make more sense if that helps anyone lol.

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[-] hyacin@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 months ago

I learned about 16 years ago on a Solaris course that /usr wasn't "user", I still say "user", but I'm happy to see the information spreading that that isn't what it actually is.

[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 33 points 2 months ago
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[-] nadir@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

usr did originally mean user and held user data.

Pretty sure this is a bacronym

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[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 months ago

/home is for every program to store its personal junk in hidden files apaprently

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

/opt/(app)/bin /usr/lib/(app)/bin /usr/lib64/app/bin /usr/local/(s)bin

I know there is logic and mapping of where everything's supposed to be in theory but in practice s***'s kind of all over the place.

[-] kalleboo@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

The logic was just that when UNIX was originally evolving, they ran out of disk space on their PDP-11 and had to start moving less-essential binaries to a different disk. That's why it's "/usr/" which was originally for user data but that disk happened to have free space.

Any other explanation is just retcon. Some distros try to simplify things.

[-] walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago

A pedantic thing to say, surely, but the title really should've been: "Linux Directory Structure" -- 'Linux filesystems' (the title in the graphic) refers to a different topic entirely; the title of this post mitigates the confusion a bit, though still, 'directory structure' is the better term.

[-] icedemons@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

To be more pedantic the correct title would be the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS)...which describes the directory structures

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[-] guillermohs9@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago

I always thought /usr was for "user".... TIL

[-] jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 months ago

It is, this infographic is wrong. Or I guess technically some other standard could define it like the infographic, but the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard defines it as a secondary hierarchy specifically for user data.

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

It did, let me explain:

On the original (ie Thompson and Ritchie at Bell in 1969-71), I think it was a PDP-11, they installed to a 512kb hard disk.

As their "stuff" grew they needed to sprawl the OS to another drive, so they mounted it under /usr and threw OS components that didn't fit.

https://landley.net/writing/unixpaths.pdf

I've done the same, outgrew so you mount under a tree to keep going, it just never became a historical artifact.

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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Here's a higher quality version

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[-] Laser@feddit.org 32 points 2 months ago

A good first approximation.

So where in this setup would you mount a network share? Or am additional hard drive for storage? The latter is neither removable nor temporary. Also /run is quite more than what this makes it seem (e.g. user mounts can be located there), there is practically only one system path for executables (/usr/bin)...

Not saying that the graphic is inherently wrong or bad, but one shouldn't think it's the end all be all.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 months ago

I never understood the title for /usr. Now I do. Thanks!

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

It’s just short for “user;” “User System Resources” is probably a backronym.

[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I always thought it stood for user. I even say it that way.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Those are directories, not filesystems.

[-] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago

It feels like /opt 's official meaning is completely lost on developers/packagers (depending on who's at fault), every single directory in my /opt belongs to standalone software that should just be put into either /usr/lib or /usr/share with some symlinks or scripts into /usr/bin.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago
[-] brianary@startrek.website 12 points 2 months ago

There's a little historical baggage, but look at Windows: multiple letters for drives, and all of the paths can be modified, so you have to ask Windows where any important directory is physically mapped (like SystemRoot or Documents or Temp or Roaming AppData or many others), because it doesn't have this nice consistent structure like Linux. Linux presents a logical layer and manages the physical location automatically. Windows makes you do the logical lookup yourself, but doesn't enforce it, so inexperienced programmers make assumptions and put stuff where the path usually is.

That's part of why logging in to Windows over a slow connection can take forever if you have a bunch of Electron apps installed: they've mismapped their temp/cache directory under the Roaming AppData, so it gets synched at every login, often GiB of data, and they refuse to fix it.

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[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Visualizing it like this makes it so clear how incredibly outdated this design is.

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[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

Fun fact: you get more accurate info by simply running man hier

[-] Samueru@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure sbin originally meant static binaries and not system binaries lol

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Would like an easy way to remember.

  • mnt = mount
  • opt = optional ?
  • etc = etcetera ?
  • proc = process ?
  • srv = server ?
  • var = variable ?
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