If your business can't survive without theft, it isn't a business, it's a criminal organization.

If it can't figure out how to produce its own power, it's not doing anything but parasitism.

More Market control doesn't make us a healthier or better planet

oh no! We'll miss you, bye.

Fuck OpenAI. I hope they fail.

For what it's worth, this headline seems to be editorialized and OpenAI didn't say anything about money or profitability in their arguments.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/126981/pdf/

On point 4 they are specifically responding to an inquiry about the feasibility of training models on public domain only and they are basically saying that an LLM trained on only that dataset would be shit. But their argument isn't "you should allow it because we couldn't make money otherwise" their actual argument is more "training LLM with copyrighted material doesn't violate current copyright laws" and further if we changed the law to forbid that it would cripple all LLMs.

On the one hand I think most would agree the current copyright laws are a bit OP anyway - more stuff should probably become public domain much earlier for instance - but most of the world probably also doesn't think training LLMs should be completely free from copyright restrictions without being opensource etc. But either way this articles title was absolute shit.

Even I should get a pass to view copyrighted movies and songs. I need it to train AI (Actual Intelligence).

But I NEED to break the law.

Well, alright then. As long as it's for business.

Cool, so if openAI can do it, that means piracy is legal?

How about we just drastically limit copyright length to something much more reasonable, like the original 14 year duration w/ an optional one-time renewal for another 14 years.That should give AI companies a large corpus to train an AI with, while also protecting recent works from abuse. Perhaps we can round down to 10 years instead, which should still be more than enough for copyright holders to establish their brand on the market.

I think copyright has value, but I don't think it has as much value as we're giving it.

In a way this thread is heart-warming. There are so many different people here - liberals, socialists, anarchists, communists, progressives, ... - and yet they can all agree on 1 fundamental ethical principle: The absolute sanctity of intellectual property.

I should just be allowed to take whatever I want from the shops because I don't have enough money to buy it!

Sounds a lot like a “you” problem, OpenAI.

So…. not a legitimate business then.

For years Microsoft and Google were happy to acquiesce to copyright claims from the music and movie industry. Now all of a sudden when it benefits them to break those same laws, they immediately did. And now those industries who served small creators copyright claims are up against someone with a bigger legal budget.

It's more evident then ever how broken our copyright system is. I'm hoping this blows up in both parties faces and we finally get some reform but I'm not holding my breath.

This is an assumption but I bet all the data feed into Content ID on YouTube was used to train Bard/Gemini....

That’s rich. Does it apply to us common mortals? Or only billionaires?

Sam Altman has the same creepy vibe as Elon Musk.

Honestly, copyright is shit. It is created on the basis of an old way of doing things. That is, where big editors and big studios make mass productions of physical copies of a said 'product'. George R. R. Martin , Warner Studios & co are rich. Maybe they have everything to lose without their copy'right' but that isn't the population's problem. We live in an era where everything is digital and easily copiable and we might as well start acting like it.

I don't care if Sam Altman is evil, this discussion is fundamental.

so this is just like napster except now I don't get to listen either ?

Sounds like the free market has spoken. Please die quickly, ""AI"" industry

…………. Then the business is a failure and the company should go bankrupt

I wish these people would just chill with the hypermonetization of literally goddamn everything

I have this great business idea. I only need to be allowed to enslave people against their will to save on those pesky wages.

Does anyone else hear that? Its the worlds smallest AI violin playing the saddest song composed by an AI

Copyright regulations for thee but not for me

The gall of these motherfuckers is truly astonishing. To be either so incredibly out of touch, or so absolutely shameless, makes me wanna call up every single school bully I ever endured to get their very best bullying tips

Oh, do you support copyright abolition, then?

boohoo