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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 223 points 2 months ago

On one hand, fuck Musk. On the other hand, internet from space that can't be blocked by governments is a net positive in my book.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 252 points 2 months ago

Don't forget that Musk is also the one who intentionally blocked paid service from Ukraine during a critical moment in the early days of Russia's current genocide, because Musk sucks up to Putin. Dude needs to answer for his actions.

[-] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago
[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Fuck Musk

Sounds like a French parfum.

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[-] finley@lemm.ee 114 points 2 months ago

that depends on who controls the space internet

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago

How about internet that can be blocked at the whims of a billionaire? At least government is supposed to answer to the people.

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[-] ElCanut@jlai.lu 88 points 2 months ago

Not blockable by any government would be a positive in my book if it didn't imply bloclable by a single billionaire with huge mood swing. Don't forget how musk switched off starlink in Crimea at Putin's request when the Russian realized starlink guided missile were heading towards their ships (Source

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[-] servobobo@feddit.nl 62 points 2 months ago

How is a billionaire manchild in charge any better, at least a government is accountable to the people.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

In theory, but how many governments can actually be held accountable? The power imbalance is often too great for the people to hold anyone accountable. In many countries, the system is rigged.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 22 points 2 months ago

Replace government with billionaire and your statement is made even more true.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh? What about internet controlled by a billionaire who makes sure his toxic website featuring his version of “free speech” is always available to protect his profits and spread his bullshit while undermining the policies of a sovereign state?

So much better than the evil government.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 2 months ago

Controlled by governments or controlled by corpos and the super rich? I say there's hardly an improvement.

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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 31 points 2 months ago

Can't calculate the net yet, since we don't know the gross. He has the capability to cause massive damage with the power he wields. It's already clear that he's incapable of providing an unbiased platform. It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted

[-] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That’s an arbitrary metric. What about internet across oceans, or across forests? Blocking content is a question of why and what. Shouldn’t we be able to block child exploitation websites? That is to say, of course we can, and it’s very easy. The only question is whether you want that kind of censorship to be up to your service provider or your government.

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[-] Gormadt 199 points 2 months ago

Sounds like they're likely also to find themselves in legal trouble

At least one can hope

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[-] h4lf8yte@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 months ago

What i love about musk is that he is the best bad example. Maybe someday he'll start a war with some country and then people will start to understand that no single person or group should hold this much power. Because there are also a handful of other people and groups with the same resources who choose to hide in the background.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 16 points 2 months ago

The Corporate Wars. 🥲

[-] mercano@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago

Usually Gwen Shotwell, SpaceX COO, is good at keeping Elon in check and not screwing up SpaceX business. I wonder what happened this time.

[-] assembly@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago

This is the intersection of Xitter and SpaceX and it looks like Xitter takes priority.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

If you can only access Xitter through SpaceX, can we call the combination "SpaceXitter"?

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[-] xep@fedia.io 66 points 2 months ago

Logically, now they have to ban Starlink too.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 77 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seems like it's on the table

https://www.reuters.com/technology/brazils-supreme-court-chamber-forms-majority-uphold-x-suspension-2024-09-02/

Tensions between Brazil and Elon Musk's business empire ratcheted up further as the country's telecoms regulator threatened to sanction his satellite broadband company Starlink hours after its top court stood behind a controversial decision to ban social network X from the country.

A senior official at telecommunications regulator Anatel said sanctions against Starlink for noncompliance could include the revocation of its license to operate in Brazil.

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago

Brazil has an extradition agreement with the United States. Would love to see that shit get put to use.

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[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago

Remember that time Musk expressed that he was in favor of free speech? Then he censored content on his platform for the Turkish government?

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[-] cupcakezealot 53 points 2 months ago

just pull their business licence and any government grants then and let the world follow suit.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

how are people supposed to pay starlink if their accounts are frozen? is starlink offering free internet?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 months ago

As the article says, yes.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago

Supposedly Starlink is maintaining service for existing accounts, even if they can't bill them ATM.

Somehow I don't think that'll last all that long.

[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As of 2024-09-03T22:10:25.545Z, Starlink is now complying with Brazil's X ban [1].

References

  1. "Starlink says it will block X in Brazil". Emma Roth. The Verge. Published: 2024-09-03T22:10:25.545Z. Accessed: 2024-09-04T04:17Z. https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24235204/starlink-block-x-brazil-comply-elon-musk.

    “We immediately initiated legal proceedings in the Brazilian Supreme Court explaining the gross illegality of this order and asking the Court to unfreeze our assets,” Starlink says in a post on X. “Regardless of the illegal treatment of Starlink in freezing of our assets, we are complying with the order to block access to X in Brazil.”

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago

If Starlink follows through on its reported vow to ignore the X ban, it is likely to face similar sanctions itself for ignoring a supreme court order.

That could have a big impact in the Brazilian Amazon, where Starlink antennae have spread rapidly since being made available in September 2022, bringing high-speed internet connection to far-flung regions. By the end of 2023 Starlink antennae were being used in more than 90% of the Amazon’s municipalities, according to BBC Brasil.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/sep/02/brazils-supreme-court-upholds-x-ban-over-conduct

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Gonna be funny when Brazil bans starlink too.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

**Update, September 3, 5:15PM ET: **Starlink has reversed course on its decision to not comply with Brazil’s block of X.

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[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Do people here not generally dislike government censorship? The root of this seems to be x refusing the country's government's demands to ban certain people

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago

Try typing the word "cisgender" into Twitter.

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[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

X doesn't seem to have any issue censoring accounts for Musk's autocratic buddies like Erdogan, so let's not try and pretend that he's above caving in to government censorship. He's just pissed off in this case that he's being asked to do it in a way that would hurt his friends in Brazil. The site has been called out over the last several years multiple times for refusing to take any steps to moderate misinformation spread by Bolsonaro and his political allies in attempts to undermine democracy and influence the results of the last election, like the endless claims of electronic voting being insecure in the lead up to the last elections, Bolsonaro's COVID denialism and many other examples.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It is well established that the right to free speech is NOT unlimited, and the "fire in a crowded theater" people tend to be the loudest complainers. Brazil is a sovereign nation entitled to its own interpretation of how to handle free speech protections, and X has repeatedly made the claim they obey the laws of the countries in which it operates.

Also, it's disingenuous of anybody to take X's side on this over free speech when the past two years they have complied with basically every single request from every government for personal identifying information for any user. People are serving multi-decade prison sentences for their speech because X has refused to stand up to, for example, the government of Saudi Arabia when demanding the identities of state critics.

So it's okay to kowtow to governments when they want to violate the right to privacy, but not when they want to shut down speech which is outside a sovereign nation's definition of free speech? And let's be clear - we were talking about 7 users.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say it's reasonable for a company to violate ONE right for a government under absolutely unethical circumstances and not another under SLIGHTLY debatable circumstances and expect anybody to take your position seriously. X is not a freedom fighter, and it's not an actor for justice. It's a partisan cesspool run by a man who is stacking the deck for the side he wants when it serves his interests.

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[-] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

This statement was later retracted. The Engadget article was redacted accordingly.

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