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The number of "left" voters in this community that are doing their damnedest to get Trump elected never ceases to disturb me.
The way Harris refuses to court her own voting base never ceases to disturb me
Ftfy.
Its not on voters. Voters will do what they will do. Its on politicians who we vote for. Also I will be voting for Harris and also protesting at every event where I can to demand this apartheid and genocide to end.
The number of pro-genocide centrists who accuse anyone who doesn't love genocide as much as they do of being trumpers will never surprise me.
Maybe they just have a tendency to confuse the painfully obvious consequences of not voting or voting against Harris for your actual intended goals. Trump is clearly going to be worse for Palestinians since he outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job, so if you're on a clear and obvious path to getting someone even worse elected, we can't help but wonder if you don't actually care about the Palestinians because for all the bitching and moaning about Harris's stance, you're on your way to making the situation objectively worse.
I'm voting for Harris and have never, I want to stress this, absolutely fucking NEVER suggested doing otherwise.
You will of course completely ignore this because I dared to say that genocide isn't the only thing in this world that gives life meaning.
I'll admit I was mistaken given your comment was sandwiched between two people suggesting otherwise and given your suggestion that anyone tired of listening to those people try to discourage voting for Harris is pro-genocide. You may not be one of them, but you walk a very similar walk here, so I wouldn't be so surprised by the confusion.
Consider for a moment that some of the others that you've written off might not be trying to discourage people from voting for Harris but might actually be upset about genocide.
You do understand that there are people in the world who genuinely don't like genocide without ulterior motives, right? That it's actually possible to find genocide objectionable?
Because it sure fucking seems like centrists on lemmy don't want to hear anything that isn't glowing praise in the face of the news that Harris will continue supporting genocide to the same degree that Biden has.
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Saying they are "pro-genocide" is beyond hyperbolic.
These type of extreme, over the top comments hurt way more than help.
These type of extreme, over the top comments hurt way more than help.
Hurt what? The tender fee-fee's of pro-genocide centrists? If they don't want to be called pro-genocide, they should stop supporting genocide. If they don't want to be called pro-genocide, they should stand firm on literally any other issue. But they fucking don't. Everything else is up for negotiation. Everything else is fertile ground for capitulation. Not genocide. That's the only thing centrists won't budge on.
damn right
Harris could easily at this point make her own platform to run on that includes what the voters are asking for
her refusal to acknowledge the voters' concerns is very telling
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"Grandpa, what did you do when the genocides were happening?"
"Told people off for not being enthusiastic about voting for pro-genocide candidates"
"I told them to vote for the candidate that would finish the job, sweetheart"
"No, I meant the one in Sudan"
"There was one in Sudan? Well, I didn't do anything. You see, there were no Democrats to blame"
We aren't selling weapons for the genocide in Sudan.
Quit whatabouting in support of genocide.
So you're not actually against genocide. You just want someone else to supply the weapons. If China would just take over IDF arms shipments, then you could ignore Gaza too.
What the heck is this argument? "Well SOMEONE is going to supply the weapons for mass slaughter, might as well be us!"
The argument is: it makes no difference who supplies the weapons. The only thing that matters is who exerts the most pressure to get a ceasefire.
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My government isn't spending my tax money to make me an accessory to the genocide in Sudan. You're just happy that your tax money is being used for a cause you support: the genocide in Gaza.
Well, as long as your hands are clean then you have nothing to worry about.
Because the most important thing you need in Gaza is that you can look yourself in your mirror each day and that you can feel good about yourself.
One of us certainly does. You're fucking proud to be an accessory to genocide and want anyone who isn't to shut up.
I don't think the person you responded to ever mention being happy about genocide. Why would you lie about that?
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Sorry, but for many of us, genocide is our red line.
But brah, it's totally acceptable to overreact when one candidate doesn't give us every little fucking thing we want, and MORE. They better cowtow, or I'm gonna keep being mean in comments because that's useful and productive for reealz.
I'll totally trash their bullshit because I'm not "working for the man", dawg. Kamala is just more bullllshiiiit or whatever stupid thing we people say. Palestine on ma dingdong, and JillStein4Prez ✌️💩💩
Do you genuinely think that people are being petulant or petty or something because they strongly object to their leadership supporting an ongoing genocide? Like this is some unreasonable "pet issue" or something?
Yes, because they are. Let's break it down.
- The only factual result of the system we can vote in has the outcome of two parties.
- GOP is getting people in swing states kicked off the rolls
- Ranked choice hasn't hit all states yet
Ergo: anyone who doesn't vote for Harris is a vote for Trump. Like it or not.
It is a dipole. You vote for fascism and some old bitch trying to save his own ass in a clear run towards dictatorship, OR YOU VOTE AGAINST THAT.
Jill Stein and RFK Jr are wasted votes. That's the fucking facts. Get with reality.
And if your sole vote is about Gaza, GUESS WHAT? Everyone else is waiting in line to sell weapons to Israel. You won't solve that issue by voting for fascist bullshit in the US as a revenge vote.
So yeah...I'd call that fucking petulant if you're willing to vote for fascism because you don't get your fucking way. Kick and scream and do whatever you want. It's not going the way you want in either case, so don't take the extra step to "stick it to the man" by helping vote Trump in.
Is supporting a genocide fascist? If I were trying to differentiate myself from a fascist opponent, I might simply stop supporting the genocide. Would you go to war if drafted? If you don't go, someone else will. That person might shoot children in the stomach, whereas you would more compassionately aim for the head.
I literally ran down a thread a few days ago asking for comment attackers to justify dropping Israel as an ally. Nobody came at me with a viable plan aside from "Uhhhh, just stop".
That's not how it works.
Please feel free to enlighten us on your solution though.
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us every little fucking thing we want
Imagine supporting genocide so hard that this is what you think of anyone who objects to it in any way at all ever.
Disgusting mindset.
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Point me to the correct candidate please. Oh right, you can't because somehow it's my fault that the two party system took away literally every option you could possibly have. Maybe i should've have voted for the non genocide candidate in my primary. Oh wait my state didn't have one because i didn't need to choose a candidate. That's ok, no one else was running anyway because who the fuck can out raise the incumbents.
Seriously though, you are asking an impossible question and getting angry when you don't get the answer you want. No one wants to vote for genocide. No one wants this to be the situation.
We can be upset with her decisions and policies and still very easily acknowledge that one of the candidates is clearly worse. Trump has outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job. He wouldn't just not resist, he'd actively encourage it. It's like choosing between getting shot with a .22 or a .45 bullet to your leg. Both fucking suck, nobody wants to choose either, but if you're knowledgeable about all the consequences and paying attention, it's not a difficult choice.
You’re right. And how people, who say they’re pay attention to the election, history and candidates, post the comments in these threads saying Harris is pro genocide and trump isn’t blows my mind. The trolls are either more subtle of stupider.
A lot of countries had the Jews living in ghettos without the same rights of other citizens. This went on for centuries in Europe. Then along came hitler. He took antisemitism to a new level.
One is the status quote (a vote for Harris) One is encouraging Netanyahu, the hardliners and the settlers. (A vote for trump)
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Single issue voters. They don't understand wider implications of their actions, however well intended they are.
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She's taken AIPAC money, she's drank the koolaid. She can't go back now. Most of them have, we saw what happened to most of those who didn't. Our politicians are all bought and paid for, dont ever forget that and let's get rid of FPTP so we the people can end this corruption. And if that doesnt work, well, you'll find me ravenous outside of Citizens United.
Edit: go ahead and downvote but at least look with your fucken eyeballs. AIPAC didn't blow hundreds of millions on our elections because they dont matter. Theres a purpose there.
Adding context...
'Very Bad Sign for Democracy': AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections
AIPAC's billionaire-funded super PAC has helped defeat two of the most vocal opponents of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip.
Its also that as Vice President she's a member of the United States Cabinet and United States National Security Council. Who do you think has been making the policy in Bidens administration?
Anyone that convinced themselves she would 180 on her own national security decisions has been delusional.
She was never going to flip. This isn't about her flipping. Its about the fact nearly all of our leadership will support Gaza being flattened, and the Palestinians being eradicated.
She was never going to flip.
Yeah, genocide support is a bedrock principle, unlike things she has flipped on, like M4A and banning fracking.
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Write to and call your representative. That's how politicians know you're upset.
Has anyone here done either of those things?
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How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I'm voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn't go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF.
This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
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Harris leans to the right more every day
Only if you're a single issue voter
Did we not watch the same acceptance speech at DNC?
- stronger military
- harder border and immigration controls
- drill baby drill
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This is who she's always been. Find speeches of hers back when she was in California, they're just as right wing as she is right now.
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Choose which stick.
No carrots available.
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