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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 195 points 5 months ago

This is part of a statement put out by Chris LaCivita, a Trump campaign spokestroll:

For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country.

I don't know what makes me angrier, his assault on the English language (it's "hallowed," you utter dipshit), or his pathetic attempt at DARVO.

[-] Sparkega@sh.itjust.works 93 points 5 months ago

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender for anyone else who didn't know.

uno reverse

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

Hollowed, like, they hollow out the place to put in the bodies, ya know?

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Is it pathetic if it works on his intended audience?

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[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Hollowed made me laugh

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Funny, I would say the ones dishonoring the men and women buried there were the ones who assaulted a woman so they could take campaign videos in a restricted section.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 175 points 5 months ago

Stop treating these fucks with kid gloves for fucks sake. Press the goddamn charges! Quit being fearful of retaliation because that is exactly what the rapist and his cult want. This is frustrating.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 145 points 5 months ago

The problem is that as a random cemetery worker who can't afford bodyguards 24/7, pressing charges stands a significant chance of getting you killed.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 85 points 5 months ago

And doing nothing only emboldens them.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 62 points 5 months ago

For sure. But as an individual, it makes a lot of sense to hide instead of fight.

[-] SnotFlickerman 15 points 5 months ago

When fascism wins and starts rounding up people to be executed... Will you have the same attitude?

When your family is facing literal death by a fascist party, was it worth saving just your own family to begin with before they took power?

Because backing down emboldened them, then they took power, now they have control of all legal mechanisms, and now you and your family will die horrifically anyway.

Was it worth it?

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You're not the one facing the possibility that somebody will kidnap and torture and murder you, your kids, your spouse, etc. right now, with serious doubt as to whether law enforcement, neighbors, judges, and others will help them or take the side of the absuser.

It's on the cemetery worker to make that call for themselves, and I don't blame people who choose to run or hide instead of fight.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 5 months ago
[-] SnotFlickerman 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ah yes, because *checks notes... telling people to do things like press charges is being an armchair warrior.

Also yes, because being in poverty and knowing deep in your heart half the people who say they support you would bail on the country entirely if it meant saving their own skins doesn't make you tired of hearing it. Because if these people cared so much for each other, they might stand up for each other instead of turning tail and saying "save yourself" while doing nothing to help.

It's like telling a drowning person to save themselves while holding tightly onto the life vest you could throw them.

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 26 points 5 months ago

As does the system of nothing happening to people like Trump, while also allowing him to use his platform to target his cult on his new "enemy". We need a system that will treat a former president accused of assault the same way the cops would respond to an alleged assault with a minority involved.

Until the system is actually going to work for the victim instead of caring about the optics of the assailant (or their "help"), I don't blame this woman for not wanting to put a target on herself for just doing her job and protecting the privacy/dignity of fallen soldiers and their families.

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[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Why the fuck can't the police place charges anyway? Here in Canada any assault charge is automatic, it doesn't require the victim to do anything. Is that not true in the US?

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

You would sacrifice your life or your family to teach Trump a lesson?

[-] SnotFlickerman 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If Trump wins in November do you think he will spare your family that you protected by not teaching him a lesson?

Do you not think its cowardly to not stand up for your fellow citizens and instead stand for only yourself?

It's like Hurricane Katrina all over again. "Just leave the poors to suffer, fuck em, we are rich and escaped so who cares."

USA if falling apart because everyone cares about their own skins more than the collective.

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[-] BDalt@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Man, fuck stochastic terrorism.

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[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What a shame the assassin missed.

There would undoubtedly be fallout, but the public really needs to remember that we are the ones allowing democracy to be shit on and destroyed in front of our eyes as Media across the country only cares about engagement.

It turns out letting America be held hostage by Fascists makes for good TV, and the 6 people who own almost every media outlet never forgot how great enslaved populations were for their bottom line.

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 88 points 5 months ago

And so, the brown shirts are making them think twice. What a sad day for America as domestic terrorism wins.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 72 points 5 months ago

Makes sense, Trump’s cult will come after you and will literally send you death threats.

Fucking USSR-level shit.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Moral of the story is that terrorism works. Remember this once voting no longer does.

[-] ToastedPlanet 63 points 5 months ago

We have to stand up to fascists even when they threaten us with violence otherwise the fascists win. There is no sign up sheet to stop fascism. There is no safe way to stand against fascists. There is no future worth living in under fascist rule. Fascists do not go away if the society that spawned them stays the same.

If threats to someone's safety is where we decide our resistance to fascism ends that is where our freedoms end. We do not have to shame this woman, but we do have to disagree with her decision. If we allow her decision to be incorrectly labeled as a reasonable strategy for self-preservation then we will all be living in a christo-fascist dictatorship.

It's liberty or death. That idea is one of the last remaining cornerstones of our democracy. If living is more valuable to use than freedom then we will be incapable of stopping the fascists.

Fascism proceeds one step at a time. One day you wake up and everything is different. Today is that day. The people saying to stand up to fascists got it right. The people calling them armchair warriors and telling people to choose life over liberty lost the plot. The fascists plan is to take power by any means necessary and then kill the people they hate indiscriminately. To stop them we must stand against them even if that means risking death.

[-] kerrypacker@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Snowden and Assange did that and look how that worked out.

[-] ToastedPlanet 11 points 5 months ago

Trump and the MAGA movement are the fascists. Snowden and Assange didn't stand against them. In fact, what happened to them is very likely to happen to lots of people if the fascists take power.

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sorry, but some guy threatened another driver with a pipe in front of 10 cars in front of my house, and I was the only one to step in and I'm the only reason the situation didn't escalate. And the only reason I can think of why I did so, is that I don't have much to lose in practice.

It's scary to intervene and despite your pandering, I suspect you've never been in a situation where you have to choose to put your life in danger (I've also done mountaineering/glacier travel and got a pilot licence which really opened my eyes up too).

It's easy for you to disrespect her gracefully and talk crap when you've never been in a dangerous situation where you can choose to make a difference that might screw you permanently.

There are a million things that will run through your mind when you yourself are (ie, you will likely be advised by people that you could be in danger, etc). When the situation is outside of your control, you think differently.

You might disagree with her, but she has every right to protect herself. And she has every right to make that decision.

If I was in the same situation and my family was in danger, I'd make the same decision too.

It's not because she wouldn't want to do it, but, the decision may have been made to protect her family.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 57 points 5 months ago

So it's not illegal then, seeing as there are no consequences for doing it.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's illegal for Democrats.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago

An aide to Donald Trump “abruptly pushed aside” an Arlington National Cemetery employee on Monday when the former president visited the site with family members of U.S. service members killed in the 2021 Kabul airport attack during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, NBC News reports.

The Trump aide pushed the cemetery employee out of the way to get past to take photos and video at Section 60, where service members killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are buried.

Any decent organization would have apologized to the employee and her boss a long time ago. But, we're talking Trump here.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They had already talked to the cemetery and set up the visit and the rules were given to him (or his handlers) at that time. He (they ) were told it was just to be a personal visit with whatever handlers he required (ex.- secret service) but that campaign staff and photos/video was strictly forbidden. So him showing up with his campaign posse looking to do a photo op was something they already knew ahead of time was not allowed.

Edit - curse you autocorrect!

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Isn't having knowledge of a felony enough for a public prosecutor to indict someone independent of the victim?

That's how it works in Germany at least - if the authorities get information about a criminal offense, they are obliged to start a criminal investigation. A victim not pressing charges only matters in terms of a civil lawsuit.

[-] SnotFlickerman 29 points 5 months ago

There were two separate crimes here.

The crime of abusing the ANC for a political photo and the crime of physically assaulting someone who worked for the ANC.

The crime of abusing it for political purposes is currently being ignored and the person assaulted has chosen to not press charges for the assault.

[-] potpotato@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Isn’t this Army jurisdiction? Is pressing charges even relevant?

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[-] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In the UK, you can't decide whether to 'press charges' or not, the decision is the CPS's.

But in practice, saying you aren't interested in pursuing a conviction often ends it, because:

1 - the prosecution must be 'in the public good' which is undermined if the victim isn't interested

2 - a lot of the time the testimony and cooperation of the victim is key to the prosecution case

3 - the system is horribly underfunded so if they can justify dropping it they will

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

Trump is a cunt and anybody who ever voted for him is a cunt.

I know it's obvious and everybody already knows it but I saw his abortion of a face on my feed so now you have to hear it again.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don’t disservice abortions by comparing them to Trump. Abortions save lives, Trump doesn’t.

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[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 months ago

This is how fascists win, by being free from consequences.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 30 points 5 months ago

This is why it works

They really can ruin your life; ask Michael Cohen or Gabby Giffords

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

Paul Pelosi or Gretchen Whitmer likely have something to say on the matter as well.

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

I still don’t understand why any human but the worst would even consider voting for this maggot.

[-] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Bullies and thier wannabes.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Donald Trump just threatened Mark Zuckerberg with jail for life because he THINKS Facebook could be used against him.

Zuckerberg is in Trump's fucking pocket already.

Trying to save yourself by not pressing charges won't make Trump forget your face, your name, or the fact that you told him "No," once in his life, which is enough for him to want to destroy your life entirely.

Everyone who said this person is protecting themselves and their family is missing the point that if Trump takes power in November he will absolutely go out of his way to ruin this person's fucking life (and their families lives) even though they didn't press charges.

Is that fucking worth it? To save your family for a short time just for fascists to never forget you told them no and ruin your fucking life anyway?

He is willing to attack people who are literally in his fucking pocket and threaten to jail them for life. He has worse in mind for this person. I guarantee it.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 5 months ago

Spoken with the easy courage of someone whose family isn’t in the crosshairs

I agree with you that this should be a HUGE deal, but if the institutions who are the ones actually responsible for going after Trump are not going to act, why should this one guy be responsible to take a purely futile stand about it that might get him killed? I agree that he is not safe whatever he does, but amping up the conflict will make him less safe.

[-] SnotFlickerman 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you don't think these asshats will dox and harass this person anyway without even pressing charges, I've got a bridge to fucking sell you.

They told Trump "no," that's enough of a crime in the eyes of these right wing freaks.

Further, no one is saying they need to do it alone. If asshats can organize to harass them, can't we organize to protect them? This is literally what I mean by nobody will back each other up. Instead of organizing as a group to protect that person, we act like it's their personal responsibility to fight it and then go "oh shucks" when they don't. Jeeze, maybe it's because we didn't back them up.

Isn't that why the Black Panthers fucking existed, because they knew they couldn't trust the cops?

But I guess organizing and protecting people like that is too much to ask.

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[-] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

All it takes for evil men to triumph...

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

The silent fear of Trump and his cultists strikes again. It is one of things he does a lot where people know how deranged his base is and don't want to hold him accountable.

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