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New polling shows national Republicans and Iowa Republican caucusgoers were more interested in “law and order” than battling “woke” schools, media and corporations.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 129 points 1 year ago

It would be nice if my country could have two functional political parties. Right now we have one that thinks if it does something once a decade it is too radical and the other is eating horse dewormer.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We have a conservative party and a proto-fascist party.

The vast majority of Americans are neither.

Edit: probably not vast, but an easy majority

[-] relyn@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I think it would be nice if more moderates from each party were more prominent. Right now we really have mostly very right leaning republicans and very left leaning democrats pushing legislature, making news headlines etc.

[-] teft@startrek.website 84 points 1 year ago

very left leaning democrats

Where? The democrats would be center right in any other western country. So who are these very left leaning democrats you fear? Bernie is as left as they come in America and he’s barely left leaning.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

I wish we had "very left leaning Democrats." We have corporatists.

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Idk, from a global prospective the American "left" are center or slightly right and continue to shift rightward over time.

[-] robbotlove@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

very left democrats made me lol

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I would like to see people running for positions in government actually interested in government. The vast majority of running stuff is just running stuff. Taxes get collected, bills get paid, vacant positions filled, roads get built or repaired, cops don't murder unarmed minorities, and if you have time you get to fix maybe one big problem. It isnt romantic, you don't get interviewed by some talking head, or sued, or boycotted, it is just making sure that things basically work.

And I am not seeing that. I am seeing one party terrified of doing anything and another that pushes in some very radical position that causes devastation.

[-] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Recoiling in horror does not count as left leaning.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

where are these left leaning democrats? at worse we have bernie and aoc who thinks people who work 40+ hours a week shouldnt be impoverished and that everyone deserves healthcare.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

What moderate Republicans? The few that didn't gleefully embrace fascism (e.g. Liz Cheney) have been run out of the party. And even the left fringe of the Republican party is awful.

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[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago

Two sides of the same coin, honestly.

Anti-"woke" means refusing to acknowledge the presence of systematic injustice.

"Law & Order" is the dogwhistle for cranking up the tangible effects of systematic injustice.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

"Law & Order" = Straight Fascism, No Chaser

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[-] chickenwing@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Yes, DeSantis schtick is getting old. It's not a real policy. Most people don't even have a clear view of what woke is even supposed to mean.

Even Trump doesn't care for it.

“I don’t like the term ‘woke’ because I hear ‘woke woke woke.’ It’s just a term they use, half the people can’t even define it, they don’t know what it is,” Donald Trump

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 44 points 1 year ago

When Donald Trump is the voice of treason, you know shit's gone way off the rails.

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

... voice of treason...

Can't tell if typo or autocorrect.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 27 points 1 year ago

Typo, but I'm not gonna fix it.

[-] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

He went on to complain about woke shit at his very next speaking event. Don't give him even that much credit

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[-] spider@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

What would be fucking grand is if they tired of voting.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm hoping at least a significant number have since Trump has spent years now telling them that their votes didn't count anyway.

[-] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd be fine if they just would get over their lying, grifting, shit-slinging "leaders." Of course, while I'd like if there were "legitimate" conservative candidates, the truth is that I don't know what that would even look like. Eisenhower?

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

You mean some of them are starting to remember that people are just free to have their own opinions on things? Who could have seen it coming...

Problem with the outrage/fear machine is its not sustainable. The brain gets tired of it eventually, particularly when there's some cognitive dissonance down there somewhere.

[-] cath@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Hate, anger and the church pulpit are the main things that drive a right wing voter.

The word may change, as it has many times in the past, but the emotion behind it will never be abandoned.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing new about the war on "wokeness", they just swap out the names every now and then

The PC Mob

The radical left

Antifa

SJWs

Socialists

Communists

They all mean the same thing in this context, but they know that people tire of specifics quickly, so they keep changing labels. I guess this study means that they'll likely pick a new word for the boogeyman soon

[-] chem_bpy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's not even the church pulpit. It's whatever shit they're spewing on YouTube, newsmax, OAN, truth social, etc.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some "church" pulpits are helping spew that stuff, too. (Not all churches, and I'd go so far as to say not real churches. Political campaign theaters masquerading as religious institutions.)

[-] MicroWave@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

For Republican candidates, no word has hijacked political discourse quite like “woke,” a term few can define but many have used to capture what they see as left-wing views on race, gender and sexuality that have strayed far beyond the norms of American society.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

Easy to define:

Taryn Fenske, DeSantis’ Communications Director said “woke” was a “slang term for activism…progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country.

https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/

Believe that there is inequality? You're part of the woke mob burning down cities and eating soup or whatever.

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[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Can you get tired of something you don't under and can't define, even though for it's pretty easy to understand and define for a normal person?

They're just getting tried of hearing DeSantis say it 800 times a minute. And he can't even define it.

[-] MasterObee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Can you define Assault Weapon?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

That is such a stupid whatabout. Even if you can't get a universal definition for "assault weapon" you can at least get as far as "rifle that kills people." With "woke" we have... "this offends me or makes me feel icky."

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[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

A powerful rifle with high ammo capacity.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

With many/most modern rifles available with a detachable magazine, ammo capacity isn't a property directly linked to the weapon itself in any sort of concrete way. So with that caveat, how would you propose classifying weapons based on that property when it isn't intrinsically linked to the weapon?

Further, how would you define "powerful"?

Even a small caliber like a 22 is perfectly capable of killing. A 9mm is a fairly low power round and is likely one of the rounds responsible for more human deaths than any other in criminal killings thanks to its widespread popularity. On the other hand, most big game hunting calibers are far more powerful than the rounds most associated with gun violence.

I'm not against addressing gun violence, and in fact I feel it's an area in urgent need of attention...

...but as a gun owner and shooting sports enthusiast who is familiar with guns, it's an area where I feel both sides of the issue argue past one another, one side with their blinders up based on dogma and partisan vitriol underlying their position...and the other side just as partisan...and wanting to make a bunch of laws with little understanding of the subject matter and no regard for any of the potential impacts of their proposed legislation.

I regularly get into debates with my (overwhelmingly liberal) friend group on this subject and I try to stay calm, rational, and open minded to show I'm not just coming from the standard position on the right of "don't do anything about gun violence, end of story"...so my position is basically: I'm willing to consider any proposed legislation that fulfills three criteria... First, the proposed law must not create a precedent of infringing on constitutional rights without due process... Second, the proposed legislation must not make a criminal out of anyone who's currently a law abiding individual in compliance with all laws, who does nothing differently after the law passes...and third, the proposed legislation must be such that it could have been reasonably been expected to significantly reduce or eliminate recent acts of gun violence had it been in effect previously.

If you can come up with a law that checks all those boxes, by all means, I'm interested!

But too often, the laws I hear discussed fail to fall into line with all of those conditions...and other than loophole-closing and background check laws, I have yet to hear any sort of a ban suggestion that does all three.

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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The AR-15 is fairly weak as rifles go so I guess it doesn't count?

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[-] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

And for your precise needs...

From the American Heritage Dictionary :

  • Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.

  • A military style automatic rifle or carbine that fires a shortened rifle caliber round or lower power smaller calibre round larger than pistol ammunition from a high capacity magazine.

From the Meriam Webster Dictionary

  • any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire also : a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

Does that work for you?

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

They're tired of the current entry on the "then they came for" list.

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Never lose sight of the fact that you're supposed to direct your politicians to fight for your issues, and not the other way around.

[-] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

They’ve run out of trigger words and myopic symbolism.

[-] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I don't think they're actually beginning to care about other people's opinions and beliefs, I think, I PRAY, they've begun to realize that campaigning on the idea you're going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars on enforcing their beliefs isn't what you pay taxes for.

I beg of them to realize exactly how much these republican bastards waste their OWN money on useless crap instead of the schools, infestructure, and societal improvements they're meant to be spent on.

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