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Imagine you're stuck in space... and your two options for getting home are Boeing and SpaceX. Is OceanGate going to branch out into space travel next? I hope these brave souls make it home safely.
As much as I detest SpaceX and the literal child in charge of the company, their craft at least has a track record of safely bringing astronauts to and from the ISS. Boeing doesn't even have that.
SpaceX is Shotwell's company, and she's way more capable of driving success than the fuckstick who does their PR. It's difficult to dismiss the objectively astounding leaps in technical progress that the engineers at SpaceX have achieved.
Musk could take a long walk off a short bridge and it wouldn't affect SpaceX's operations at all.
I know you all like to think that Musk does nothing at SpaceX, but that's not the case. He is heavily involved with Starship, and he was involved with F9 in the past. For example, landing on barges was his push, same as pushing to use stainless steel for Starship.
Whenever someone working at SpaceX says hes involved though, you all just dismiss it as "they don't want to lose their job"
Shotwell runs the day to day though, he's not involved with that.
In business, just like in war, the few take credit for the work and will of the many.
We remember Eisenhower, not the millions who died and sacrificed their life fighting for him.
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same as pushing to use stainless steel for Starship.
Which he totally didn't do because he's a fucking moron who likes stainless steel, nooo this is definitely a sign that his contributions are meaningful
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I feel the same as you, but you really can't deny the fact that the engineers at his various companies have managed to design some really great tech despite their CEO.
Not just spacecraft either. Starlink is really the first usable satellite broadband, and Tesla has mastered the art of putting advanced powertrain in terrible automobiles.
Those companies have people whose unofficial job is to manage the child when he throws a tantrum and somewhat isolate him from things that could be damaged. Twitter didn't have this protection.
This. SpaceX and by proxy Starlink have Gwynne Shotwell to actually run things. Elon may be the one talking all the time, but he doesn't actually run daily operations.
I've read that Tesla and SpaceX engineers were actually happy that Musk bought Twitter because it's been keeping him occupied and out of their hair.
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some people don't realize that, despite politics and who owns it, they launch like 90% of the things in orbit worldwide. they are essentially the standard.
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I hate Musk but he is not the one who designed the Falcon rockets and capsule which have the best track record. I would much prefer to go on one of those than Starliner.
Yep, I probably would too. Nobody's saying Musk designed them.
Looks like they're not Boeing To Die.
Although, I gotta say, "Hard pass on that Starliner, I'm putting my faith in an Elon Transport Solution" really speaks to the deplorable state of American aerospace.
Except that there have been 12.5 successful Crew Dragon flights (one is still docked to ISS) and, critically, zero crew casualties.
I'd put my faith in Elon Transport Solution (that realistically Elon has nothing to do with any more, operationally) over Made By A Company Where Sometimes The Door Plugs Come Off Transport Solution any day.
And F9 has the record for 363 successful consecutive launches, and more successful consecutive landings than any other vehicle has (edit: consecutive successful) launches.
The next behind them is 100 launches.
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It's a decision between a spacecraft that sprung multiple leaks on its first crewed flight and one that carried crew 8 times without issues so far.
Oh I'm sure it was a well-thought out and easy decision.
That will not stop me from poking at Musk a lil bit. Just a lil bit. C'mon bro just a lil pokeage.
At that point I'd take my chances with a space suit and a parachute. If I live, it would at least break the world record for skydiving height.
That wouldn't work even a little bit. Not just because spacesuits aren't heat resistant so you'd burn up on reentry, but because they don't have enough ∆V to slow down from orbital velocity in the first place.
You'd be like Jebediah in my Kerbal Space Program campaign, floating around the planet without a spacecraft indefinitely.
Did you think I was serious?
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I'm OOTL: is Soyuz no longer also an option?
Russia invading Ukraine has complicated any future dealings with them, especially when there’s a domestic alternative.
They've been transporting American space personal since at least March
Not sure what could have changed since, but when US/Russia relations at some of the worst levels in history, I'm surprised this last lingering relationship has held out as long as it has.
My understanding is that, in retaliation to US sanctions imposed at the start of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia stopped providing RD-180 rocket engines that were used in the Atlas V. My surprise is that the USA relied on Russian rocket engines to put national security payloads into space.
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SpaceX has a regular scheduled launch that's been sitting around delayed waiting for Starliner to leave the ISS, so kicking two people off it and replacing them with the Starliner crew is convenient and minimizes the schedule disruption.
Soyuz only has three seats and launching a Soyuz with only one crew or empty is something Russia hasn't done since the 60s and would be more work.
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Oceans Gate 11, The Revenger. The first rocket 🚀 powered by match stick heads. But very safe.
I always feel extreme tension during movies and TV if the scene is an oxygen leak from a space shuttle. Now I'm imagining that, but they have to repair things with their janky Xbox controller setup. Holding things upside-down, of course, because they wired the engines backwards.
Boeing takes it in the nuts.
Not enough billions in taxpayer dollars I guess.
Thank goodness they're too big to fail or they might actually be held accountable for building such shit equipment over the last decade+.
Of course they waited until Saturday to announce this while the markets are closed. Boeing will plummet on Monday.
Boeing will take a hit, but less than if the thing has fucked up during reentry and killed them ..
even a worse case scenario, boeing will survive. i believe their bomber contracts are the golden goose.
Big win for Spacex
Pretty sure those astronauts are actually whistleblowers
This was the only option. Glad that they made it.
The nice part is that they had two options. They couldn't prove the safety of Starliner completing the crew test flight, but it's good that there are 2 commercial crew vehicles that they could have chosen. That kind of choice is what the commercial crew program is all about.
Okay so they are stuck then. Right?
Wouldn't it be interesting if they make it back safely on the X snap dragons capsule thing and then they bring back the boing capsule and it burns up? It mean, if nothing happens it's okay, but If it does!?
I'm surprised NASA is letting SpaceX help them. I thought they were gonna say "I'll do it myself" and twiddle their thumbs for a few more months.
NASA doesn't have a vehicle for that any more since they killed the Shuttle. It's either the Soyuz or private vehicles.
The NASA and SpaceX relationship is just fine. There's no real rush to bring them back, the ISS can accommodate them just fine.
This was always going to be the outcome as soon as there was a question about safety, regardless of what they said publicly. NASA has lost 14 astronauts due to poor managerial decisions throughout the Shuttle program. They don't want to get near that if they don't have to, and there have been alternatives since day one thanks to the Commercial Crew Program (and of course Russia/Soyuz if absolutely necessary).
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